Alright, it's very likely that things will be changing here a little bit after July 13. Mostly just some minor admin changes.

First, WARFARE:

After July 13th I'm supposed to be taking full control over Wednesday Warfare. For those of you who don't know, Warfare and Wallace Witasick has always been shared between me and another, anonymous XWFer. However, that anonymous co-GM is scheduled to step down unless something changes at the last minute.

So what this means is that anything Warfare related will need to be sent/PMed to be, John Madison, since I'm not too crazy about keeping tabs on two separate accounts.

Expect smaller cards for Warfare. I'm thinking four to five matches a week. I'll be designing the cards based off the responses I get in the booking thread so keep up with that. If you go through the trouble of signing up, I'll get you a match. If you opt out, I'll exclude you with no penalty. If you don't tell me anything, and you're assigned to the Warfare roster, then I'll either book you or not book you however I see fit. If you no-show a match one time and don't tell me anything, then I'll exclude you from all future shows until you get in touch with me. Simple, right?

Going forward, Warfare will no longer be a rated show. Instead, it will follow the same general rules of Monday Madness. So you can say things like fuck, shit, and cunt without any penalties. We won't do any of the crazy Shove-It Saturday stuff though.


Next, the rest of XWF...

I've been thinking of several ways of get things to run smoother around here.

First off, I'm not sure if Shove-It Saturday will be coming back. At the moment, it's very likely that we'll just have Wednesday Warfare and Monday Madness. That means the TV Title will be floating between shows along with the X-Treme Title. What do you guys think about assigning the X-treme Title exclusively to Warfare and the TV Title exclusively to Madness? I think it would work out better this way, that way each show has one top title and one midcarder/special rules title.

Last, I wanted to pitch an idea that me and and another GM were discussing. We have a large roster at the moment, so what would you guys think if we kept Shove-It but as an extra, "open" show? By open show, I mean that you guys could sign up and become interim general managers for weeks at time? We used to do this back in 2012 and we ended up getting a couple of fun, themed shows out of it. -

-For example, let's say that Unknown Soldier signs up to be an interim GM for Saturday one week. Soldier then has complete control over the Saturday event. He can name it Saturday Night 666 or keep the Shove-It name, whatever he wants. He makes the rules of the show. Maybe one rule he wants is an RP limit of 2 or that no one is allowed to mention their opponents in their RPs. He makes the sign-up thread in the booking and designs the card and stipulations. He judges the matches or recruits judges, however he wants to do it. It's basically an open GM show that would hopefully bring in some interesting scenarios and booking styles.

What do you fellas think?

If you guys have any other ideas going forward, let's hear it!

I like the idea of having two titles on each show.

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I like each show having their main title and mid title.

Another thing that's been talked about, which I will explore after the pay per view is, say we have 10 scheduled matches for Madness. I might decide to make the first 3 or 4 'dark matches.' What I mean by that is simply from a results standpoint, having just a quick summary with the winner listed like always. Now, say something special happens, like a run-in or something to that effect, I'd give more detail on the finish.

Would anyone be opposed to that?

Reason being, as John said, and as he and I have talked about numerous times and at great length, is that the rosters have exploded recently and its just too much having to find the time to get 10 or 11 matches covered in one week.

I want to continue to include as many Madness members (and others, if they choose) as I possibly can each and every week. But, as said, with the size ofd the rosters right now, it's too much for one or even two people at times to handle. I might limit "televised" matches to six, and everyone on the card before that would be considered a "dark match."

We don't even have to call it dark matches. It could just become a "3 hour" show with the first hour being basic summaries, second hour a little more detailed, then the final 2 or three matches kind of more like tv main event quality.

It's just some things we've discussed to try and help you role players get what you want and at the same time alleviate some time and stress off of our shoulders as General Managers. I'd like to see some thoughts on this as well as the things John has mentioned.

I like the two titles on each show idea also.

One thing I am not crazy about is specifically labeling the TV or X-treme titles as somehow lower in rank than the European or US titles, because they're not supposed to be. They're special titles that require a person going after them or holding them to be more aware of how they each work, and if anything, that brings more of a challenge instead of less.

A person going for the TV title is forced to only be able to RP once a day instead of twice a day, even though the defending champ CAN roleplay twice a day if they want. To win the TV title under these rules would be slightly harder than winning the European or US titles from their respective holders under normal rules, because the challenger would need to be more careful with what they decide to post in a day and make sure it's heavy hitting WITHOUT a follow up RP later that same day. To me, the person who can do this has accomplished a lot more than somebody who won a regular title.

The same goes for the X-Treme title but in reverse... the person HOLDING it has to pretty much go through hell. It's the opposite of the TV title where the pressure is put on the challengers of the TV title. With the X-Treme title, a HUGE amount of pressure is on the actual champion because they are always under the 24/7 rule AND defending it in regular matches along the way too.

The title we have that is just for fun, and should always be considered lower level, is the FTW UFO title.

All other titles are what their respective holder chooses to make them, by either increasing their activity and defending like a madman or by some other creative means that shows why THAT person is such a great champion.

I'm ok with anything that gets changed around as long as the above criteria is understood and met by all involved. There should never be a suggestion that the TV or X-Treme titles are lower status than Euro and US. If anything, the person with the X-Treme title can market themselves as the top champion in the entire fed based on how hard it is to keep that belt long term. The only thing that is always higher than all other titles, no matter what, is the actual XWF King spot.

This ended up being a longer message than I intended but I think it gets the point across as far as how the title scene should always be looked at. If you hold one of the regular singles titles and think it should be more noticed or more honored than the other belts, then DO SOMETHING about it in character. Take it to the X-Treeeeeeme! lol

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I'd like to guest run a shove-it sometime. You know what would be fun, before you do all this, have like a draft night where certain wrestlers would switch shows (I know it doesn't really matter since we can come and go on any show we please, but it still sounds pretty fun) I'm fine with the quick summary idea and the two titles per show.

Yeah, a draft would be cool but it isn't practical for XWF. The reasons we have two shows is to allow people to choose whether they prefer to RP over the weekend or mid-week. And because of the number of people we have.

But yeah, Payne or anyone else who thinks they might be interested in running a future (weekend) show, shoot me or Admin a private message with your ideas.

Quote:One thing I am not crazy about is specifically labeling the TV or X-treme titles as somehow lower in rank than the European or US titles, because they're not supposed to be. They're special titles that require a person going after them or holding them to be more aware of how they each work, and if anything, that brings more of a challenge instead of less.

I agree with what you're saying here. I see now that I made the mistake of suggesting that the X-Treme and TV be midcarder titles. I always preferred to look at secondary titles in the same light that the Intercontinental Title was looked at prior to the late 90s. Basically it's a guy who's runner up for the World Title, or fully capable of holding it. So yeah, going forward, it's totally up to the title's holder as far as what level a title is contested for.

I'm hoping we can get the King Title defended more often. We could probably take away the PPV-only aspect of it and just say that we're holding a king match once per month. Why not have it be the Superstar of the Month who gets the shot? Usually SOTM is determined by how consistent someone worked and how much momentum they have going for them at the moment. Not only that, but suddenly SOTM would have some added value and come with a reward.

i like the ideas as long as im involved on warfare.. i think the TV title should be madness based and the UFO and Xtreme on Warfare.. but im down for anything u all decide

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im up for anything, after all. all im here for is having fun

I agree with the "dark matches" part. The card is too big and I often find myself skipping almost the entire show. Sometimes I even skip my own matches just to find the result. I also think that giving the superstar of the month a shot at the crown is a great idea. It's like rewarding them with something other than just a title.

I like all the ideas listed, and I like the idea of the shows having two titles each and the King being both shows and defended more often. Keep the ideas flowing guys

The tag division needs to hold more prestige. I know the WWE has a weak tag division at the minute but that doesn't mean we need to have a weak division as well. I'm not sure what or how, but the tag division should be encouraged.

I almost feel like we could lose the trios title and make a tag division title on each show rather than only having one tag title especially if the other titles are going to be brand specific.

I believe the trio belts were added when we had a few factions going and had always been an idea on the backburner before that. Problem is two of our best writers are currently champions and factions arent en vogue right now, so there arent a myriad of challengers. its a cyclical thing though. I think the trios have their value.

My only question is whether racism is still banned on Warfare, as that was the original attraction to the show for me.

I would favor a fed-wide ban on racial tones. I'm not a fan of racism or prejudice and I don't really think it adds any value to the fed. If anything, it'd devalue it completely.

On the flip side of that, I hate banning anything totally. I'm also a 'free speech' lover.

I should not reply to posts when I first wake up. I don't even know if I'm making any sense.

I like the Trio Titles because I've always been a big fan of stables and I like the idea of there being a top stable.

It's weird because in the e-feds that I participated in years ago there seemed to be stables popping up all over the place. I guess because back then groups like the NWO, DX, and The Flock were really popular.

I know having the Trio Titles makes it seem like were flooded with titles, but then again they've only been defended twice, on our PPVs. So at the moment I kind of see it as a special attraction title that shows up on the PPVs. It's perfect actually, because we usually try to get everyone involved in the PPV as we can, and the Trio Titles help us set up one big six man match rather than three random singles or two random threeways. Not only that, but it gives people plenty of time to come up with their teams to take on the defending champions.

Yeah, I think the Trio Titles could be really good if people started getting more involved. I believe the titles are contested under the freebird rule (Shane?). So I believe if you guys wanted, you could form a group of five, win the titles with three, and then you can swap people among your group of five. Almost like an actual sports team, I guess.

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I'm not sure how we could phase out racism and prejudice without other forms of hate being phased out as well. If you put a ban on racism, then shouldn't you put a ban on murder or gun violence as well? A lot of folks didn't even seem to be thrilled by the censorship aspect of Warfare which I thought was actually pretty relaxed.

I'll support whatever you guys want to do as far as censorship goes though.

I think it's fine IF it's done in taste and flows with the character, but to just add it.. that shouldn''t really be tolerated. Just be careful with certain slurs or words. Nation of Domination was pretty much a 'racial' group, but refrained from using certain words.

(07-10-2013, 11:44 AM)Mr. Madison Said: Yeah, I think the Trio Titles could be really good if people started getting more involved. I believe the titles are contested under the freebird rule (Shane?). So I believe if you guys wanted, you could form a group of five, win the titles with three, and then you can swap people among your group of five. Almost like an actual sports team, I guess.

That's exactly right!

u do know the 5 guys fighting 3 could become 5 on 5 if the trios champs get 2 more right?

though i highly doubt the trios titles will ever go away from me, mystery and soldier. we are that damn good

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Every dog has their day, Pete. Ya never know.

true but the way me, soldier and mystery write its gonna be tough

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(07-10-2013, 09:05 PM)Peter Gilmour Said: true but the way me, soldier and mystery write its gonna be tough

Not saying you guys are bad, but you never know. There could be a group who just clicks one week and pulls an upset. Remember, not everything is a guarantee in the XWF after all.

On another point, I love that you guys (admins and mods) are actively trying to evolve the fed. It shows growth and staying ahead of the curve. Of course you guys already knew this. I think having mid-card titles would definitely help some of the newer guys work on their characters before jumping into the main title picture. I mean it makes it hard for a roster of 30 to go after one title. Not that 2 titles will solve this, but it makes it a little more spread out. I know it would suck to always have to defend your title in triple threat/battle royal/6-man matches all the time. That has always seemed like a mid card title kind of thing. Not that its a bad thing of course.

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(07-10-2013, 10:43 PM)Mr. Satellite Said:

(07-09-2013, 02:11 PM)Mr. Madison Said: I'm hoping we can get the King Title defended more often. We could probably take away the PPV-only aspect of it and just say that we're holding a king match once per month. Why not have it be the Superstar of the Month who gets the shot? Usually SOTM is determined by how consistent someone worked and how much momentum they have going for them at the moment. Not only that, but suddenly SOTM would have some added value and come with a reward.

Sounds good to me. I'm all for this idea.

Of course you would like that idea Satty...

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I dont think racism and death need to be synonymous. However, what you could say in the rulesis that a degree of racism may be used in storylines, just as death, but not as trashtalk or trash constructs.

Racial and racist are different words. Theres nothing wrong with having ethnic characters, but there is something wrong and highly unoriginal/unnecessary about those characters enduring the same racist trash every week instead of intelligent writing aimed at the character.

Everything sounds good to me. I wanna see a special crimson Dong episode!

It doesnt offend me because i think its aimed at me. Im not even asian. It offends me because a: its racism? And b: like i said, its so unoriginal. People create elaborate character and deserve better than that crap in response.

Its the trash im talking about. And i dont agree that 'because it happens its acceptable here'. Its completely unnecessary. If you can create stories involving racism constructively - then great. Thats writing, thats telling a story. If you set out just to trash talk a character on their race then you have no originality whatsoever and you ignore their existence. A string of r acist jokes is not an rp. Do you not see the difference?

To put it another way: im a parent and one phrase that will soon enter into my vocabulary will be 'just because xyz does doesnt mean you should'

i dont think i ever used racism in my rp's.. and if i did i would've put a disclaimer saying i meant no disrespect.

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Our views definitely diverge here, but I respect your opinion. Perhaps if racism is permitted it could come with the caveat that it will be judged lower (in the cases of base unoriginal trash talk)?

Of course it leaves them open to an easy riposte, but i dont want to be writing the same riposte every week.

True, but the racism isnt expressly marked down on principle.

Agree to disagree here.

I think putting a block on racism just creates an unnecessary domino effect. Like Satty said, if you're going to ban one form of hatred then you should ban other forms as well. Why should one form be banned but not the other? If we can't make racist jokes, then we probably shouldn't be allowed to make sexist jokes or jokes directed at someone's sexuality. Hell, before you know it, there will be a rule against making jokes about mentally handicapped people, and I see people calling each other " " around here a lot.

It sucks that that kind of stuff exists, but guess what, I've seen plenty of people turn it around and make the other guy look silly.

Specific people might take extra exception to racist attacks for whatever unique reasons apply to their own lives, just the same as somebody might take extra exception to specifically rape jokes but other things are ok... It doesn't even have to relate to something within their own life at all times but can just break down to strong preference or the way they were brought up to have certain respect on certain issues. Everybody's different.

Basically there's no way to make everyone happy and if we stop racist characters and racist commentary/trash talk/etc altogether then we would have to display that same care and treatment to the people who take exception to rape, or same sex jokes, or whatever else really happens to get under anybody's skin. It would pretty much turn into a slow motion domino effect where at first it would seem fine with banning 1 subject but then that 1 subject already being banned would BE part of the argument that helps support the banning of the next questionable subject... and so on... and it snowballs.

Like Satty said, I don't think there's much to worry about because people who write the most creatively win. How many 'Satans' have we seen in recent months? A lot, some of them good some of them not so good. Just because someone is doing it doesn't mean it can't be done creatively. I used dark imagery in my old character but I tried to be original and creative. I like to think I succeeded. Anyway my point is if racism is used creatively then I see no issue with it. Of course I'm not part of the management team but I like to state my opinion.

I think if you ban racism you definitely have got to ban homophobic comments as well. Limiting what we can say defeats the point of the freedom we have to be creative in the different ways we choose. I have said it to a few people, for me it's all about telling my characters story more than it is winning matches. I like this place because its almost like I'm writing a series of short stories for my character, having more freedom means the possibilities are endless.

This is the first fed I've been in that even allows racism, death etc. I understand the realism argument. Obviously creativity is going to get scored higher most times. I've previously done rps threatening anal rape so I can see what you mean. But the whole point of a rated show was for people to be able to rp under a realistic wrestling setting, and the crazy stuff happened on shove it. I like having that sensible environment and the challenge of not being over the top.

Excuse my typing, I hate touchscreens!

Don't worry mate my iPhone is a nightmare as well. To be fair I get why you mean. I always saw Warfare as the show I could realistically see on TV. This does limit the realism as none of the shows would be able to be realistically aired now.

How did this go from changing the show and title set-up to all out discussion on rasict comments? Fucking hell guys! You black bastards complain about those cheating mexicans taking those redneck cracker jobs from those useless foreigners. You need to quit acting like towel heads and take it like a asian chink.

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Now that's racist

(07-12-2013, 06:14 AM)Lightning Said: How did this go from changing the show and title set-up to all out discussion on rasict comments? Fucking hell guys! You black bastards complain about those cheating mexicans taking those redneck cracker jobs from those useless foreigners. You need to quit acting like towel heads and take it like a asian chink.

Yeah, sorry about that, hah.

It wasn't my goal to bring racism or a bunch of crazy shit to Warfare, just a more relaxed role play environment.

If you guys want to come up with a list of what should/shouldn't be allowed for Warfare then I'll abide by it if it gets strong support. From what I experienced, it always came down to just "hey guys censor your bad words."

Warfare still had people getting brutally attacked, cussed out, and bullied.

Other than that, I can't think of anything unrealistic that would pop up on Warfare that we weren't already doing before.

Shove-It Saturday was the show where we had 9 foot klansmen, sex toy matches, and polar bears. Damn I miss that show. But that isn't what Warfare is turning into.