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Equinox · **02-21-2016, 06:16 PM**

Anyone watching fastlane?

~~Peter Fn Gilmour~~ · **02-21-2016, 06:57 PM**

besides owens v ziggler.. the ppv sux bawls

Maverick · **02-21-2016, 07:00 PM**

(02-21-2016, 06:57 PM)Peter Fn Gilmour Said: besides owens v ziggler.. the ppv sux bawls

Wouldn't say that. Becky/Sasha vs Naomi/Tamina exceeded my expectations and Styles/Jericho III was a very crisp match. Aside from the six-man-tag the PPV is doing pretty well right now.

~~Peter Fn Gilmour~~ · **02-21-2016, 07:16 PM**

the cutting edge peep show with new day and league of boredom was pretty funny..

now we get a pointless match with r fool and curtis asshole..

yup this ppv has officially went to SHIT!

Maverick · **02-21-2016, 07:18 PM**

The Cutting Edge Peep Show segment was pointless, really. What, was that supposed to begin a face turn for the New Day? I hope Creative doesn't do that.

~~Peter Fn Gilmour~~ · **02-21-2016, 07:25 PM**

wwe creative are a bunch of losers. new day turning face is going to bury all 3 of them.. STUPID!!

Maverick · (02-21-2016)

Alright, let's just hope Ambrose wins the ME and I can go to bed a happy boy.

Mr Killjoy · **02-21-2016, 08:18 PM**

lmao Dean Ambrose looked like a fan out there next to Reigns and Lesnar, I think the right person won, Reigns may not be as over as Ambrose, but at least Reigns actually looks like a wrestler.If Ambrose was as good as Bryan in the ring I'd be able to look past his look like I did Bryan, but he isn't, so I can't.

Equinox · **02-21-2016, 08:24 PM**

I know lesnar has plans for mania against the wyatts, reigns and ambrose are just ok, but I hope WWE in smart with rollins and cesaro when they return, guarenteed explosive pop.

**"Loverboy" Vinnie Lane** · **02-21-2016, 08:24 PM**

I missed well over 2 hours worth of the PPV. Did I miss anything good? I tuned in just in time to see the end of the main event and I was shocked! Seriously never saw that ending coming. WWE has outdone themselves again.

Maverick · **02-21-2016, 08:32 PM**

Ugh, Reigns won. Trax, I honestly DON'T think the right person won. Listen to the crowd reactions when Ambrose and Reigns made their entrances. Ambrose got a massive pop, while Reigns got heavy boos. And you're going by appearances for the rightful champion? It's 2016, man. We've had guys be champion who look like kids compared to their contenders, i.e. Daniel Bryan, Rey Mysterio, etc. Considering Dean wasn't half as bad as those guys, not to mention that he IS in fact good in the ring, I definitely would have liked seeing him win.

And Shane, AJ/Jericho III was an amazing match. Very crisp overall. Definitely recommend looking it up when you have the chance, easily match of the night.

**Vincent Lane** · (02-22-2016)

I love coming on to these types of threads because I'm never let down.

Gilly hates everything about WWE except Owens, check.

Shane hates everything about WW period, check.

Maverick somehow thinks Dean Ambrose was ever going to main at the biggest show of the year.... check? I guess?

Seriously, come on. This was a perfectly fine show. Light years ahead of the PPVs of 15-20 years ago, at the very least.

The only decisions I didn't really understand was having a really good 2/3 falls match be on the pre-show while R-Truth and the Wyatt matches were on the main card... but I honestly think it may be in an effort to get people to actually watch the pre-shows. That used to be a spot for matches no one would ever see, but the days of actually shelling out 20-30 dollars for a PPV and all that are over. The pre-show has become a part of the show itself these days.

I was a little surprised to see Kalisto go over, but other than that I got the results I expected. This isn't a big show, I don't think there should be many huge twists, especially right before Mania. You're solidifying the story that's been in the works all year, not changing it.

But, hey, it's still the internet. I fully expect a deafening chorus of LOL ROMAN and bitches and moans about Cesaro not being in the main event.

Equinox · **02-21-2016, 08:35 PM**

Im glad jericho still has it in him to perform, loved the lionheart way back then, and this is as close to it he has gotten in years

**"Loverboy" Vinnie Lane** · (02-21-2016)

(02-21-2016, 08:34 PM)LoverboyVinnieLane Said: I love coming on to these types of threads because I'm never let down.

Gilly hates everything about WWE except Owens, check.

Shane hates everything about WW period, check.

This is pretty unfair. I'm a big Owens fan too!

Mr Killjoy · **02-21-2016, 08:48 PM**

Maverick the difference between Bryan, Rey and Ambrose is Bryans and Rey's offence looked credible which made up for their lack of size, like I said Ambrose looked like a fan out there, literally no good offence, yes thats completely down to WWE booking, but unfortunately due to that Ambrose just doesn't and maybe will never look like a credible main eventer, Bryan and Rey were booked to look like credible main eventers.

Reigns was the right choice because he can be turned into a credible main event HEEL champion, which I'm hoping WWE will come to realize, turn him Heel, then have Rollins come back as a face and feud with him when he returns.

Maverick · **02-21-2016, 08:50 PM**

Lane, I expected it to be Reigns. The thing is I honestly wanted Ambrose to main at WM, and considering how they made him the star of the build-up to Fastlane it could have easily worked giving him the victory which would also set up for a Roman Reigns heel turn. Not to mention there was also a branching story with Dean and the Authority. I mean, the story is right there. For the majority of 2015, he was right there at the championship. Think about it:

Triple H basically gave the order for Seth to break up the Shield. The Authority screwed Dean out of winning MITB, as Dean essentially had it won. Then Dean basically won it at EC, but it was reversed on a technicality. Then he had it won at the subsequent MITB, but the title basically slipped out of his fingers. Dean almost had it won at Survivor Series, but he barely lost to Roman. Dean was in the Final Two in the Rumble, but Triple H eliminated him. When you think about it, Creative try and make Roman the underdog, but they do a much better job at having Dean be the underdog. He's been screwed time and time again, and it would have been great seeing him win.

Equinox · **02-21-2016, 08:54 PM**

Dont get me twisted Vinnie, True I am a Cesaro fan, but his role as a step up is perfect. What I mean by that is, he is the perfect worker to test the credibility of an athlete, I.e...Owens, Reigns, and hell, even Rusev. This new talent wwe is getting all have potential to be champion, but what excites me the most about whats coming up, is they are about to destroy TNA's x division. That cruiserweight tourney.

~~Peter Fn Gilmour~~ · (02-21-2016)

MANIA IS GOING TO SUCK DICK!

**Vincent Lane** · **02-21-2016, 09:05 PM**

Mav - this is how they BUILD a guy like Ambrose. This time next year or maybe even sooner he will be a solid, credible, main event guy. He hasn't been abused. He nearly won the Rumble, has main evented 2 PPVs now, has held titles, etc. He has a fan base and they acknowledge it. But right now the story is Reigns/HHH, not Ambrose/HHH.

We'll get to see what could be an amazing Lesnar/Ambrose match at Mania now, which honestly is pretty exciting to me.

Comparing him to Bryan is a little skewed, same with Rey, because both of those guys were 10 times better than Ambrose in-ring. Don't get me wrong, he's good, but he's not THAT good.

But even then, the comparison doesn't work for the simple reason that Bryan and Rey were both pushed to the moon in spite of their size/look. Mysterio and Bryan were both WWE Champs, both had HUGE spots on the cards, made a ton of money, etc. Remember Mysterio/Undertaker? You think if they were THAT biased against a little guy that he would have ever looked good against Taker??? Or that Bryan would have gottn THE biggest main event in company history???

**02-21-2016, 09:05 PM**

Personally, I agree with Trax. Ambrose is not really as good of a choice for stuff as people want him to be. Dude can't work a mic, dude reminds me of DB Sweeney, and he's just not that special. Roman Reigns, however, is. Reigns has the look, he has the swagger, he comes from the right background, and he's just overall better. Lesnar just needs to give up the game. Maybe go home and pretend his wife doesn't look like a used mop.

**Vincent Lane** · (02-22-2016)

If they do go the heel Roman route, Dean will be his number one feud.

Baleedat.

Mr Killjoy · **02-21-2016, 09:10 PM**

I think the plan is Lesnar vs Wyatts at Wrestlemania, possibly a gauntlet match, hopefully Bray gets the pin if that happens.

**02-21-2016, 09:10 PM**

I'm honestly surprised they haven't gone heel with him already. That's the best way I see a guy like him getting booked.

Mr Killjoy · **02-21-2016, 09:13 PM**

You know you're not going to make it as a top face when THE ROCK is standing next to you in an attempt to get you cheered and you're still getting booed out the building (last years RR). Heel reigns vs Ambrose, Heel reigns vs Cena, heel reigns vs face Rollins, some good feuds there.

Maverick · **02-21-2016, 09:33 PM**

What I really wished could have happened, if Mania was in Texas next year instead of this year and Taker could go another year, would be Heel!Reigns vs Taker. That would have been a nice feud.

~~Peter Fn Gilmour~~ · (02-22-2016)

my review of FastLame

Tommy Gunn · **02-22-2016, 07:13 AM**

(02-21-2016, 09:05 PM)Pest Said: Personally, I agree with Trax. Ambrose is not really as good of a choice for stuff as people want him to be. Dude can't work a mic, dude reminds me of DB Sweeney, and he's just not that special. Roman Reigns, however, is. Reigns has the look, he has the swagger, he comes from the right background, and he's just overall better. Lesnar just needs to give up the game. Maybe go home and pretend his wife doesn't look like a used mop.

Can't work the mic? Are you serious? He's one of the best mic guys in the company.

He's also a fantastic wrestler.

He doesn't have the lock of Reigns, and you're right, he doesn't have the family history but that only matters to Vince.

In terms of swagger, they both have it just in different ways.

I like Roman. I love Dean.

Roman was always going to win that match.

And that is the issue, not just with that match but with the PPV in general.

They are all so predictable anymore it loses some of it's fun.

It definitely wasn't a bad PPV, it was exactly what most people expected it to be.

The pre show match was really good.

Dolph/Owens was very good. Styles/Jericho was good. The Main Event was ok.

The Divas title match was good awful. The tag title match was decent and the New Day face turn was expected once the Dudley's turned heel.

The only real issue I have is with the Wyatt's getting buried yet again.

Mr Killjoy · **02-22-2016, 07:49 AM**

Yeah Wyatts losing makes no sense, should of have them decimated The Titans,made them look strong for Lesnar.

In regards to Dean/ Roman, Dean unfortunately will never be the top guy, he's pretty good on the mic and in the ring, but thats it, pretty good. Not great. Again compare him to Bryan, Bryan may not of had the look or the mic skills but he had the wresting skills to be a top face, just like AJ Styles and Seth Rollins will be a top face.

Dean is destined to be a mid card face/heel for life ( kinda like the lesser version of Jericho, talented and can play both alignments but unlike Jericho will never be a top face OR heel). As I said before, Roman is failing as face but he has the potential to be a great top Heel.

**Vincent Lane** · **02-22-2016, 07:58 AM**

Dean's not "great" in the ring by a longshot. He is probably the most formulaic guy they have right now.

Punch/chop, rebound clothesline, soft-as-hell dive through the ropes, Dirty Deeds. That's it. Oh and the weird standing elbow drop.

He CAN be better, I've seen him be better, but he isn't doing it. He's popular as hell and that's great, but let's not say he's great in the ring. I think my least favorite thing about him is his actual wrestling.

I didn't think the Divas title match was bad at all. It was probably one of Brie's best matches (not saying a lot, there). They're treading water a bit until the Charlotte/Sasha inevitable feud.

As for the Wyatts... I was surprised. I think they want to reinforce that the henchman aren't very good without Bray, but I'm not sure. Plus they really seem to want to get Ryback over.

I was also surprised that Kalisto retained.

**02-22-2016, 07:58 AM**

I liked everything but the Cutting Edge segment and R Truth match. Main event was good but I don't think HHH/Roman is a good main event for Mania. Supposedly the Raws leading up to Mania are all smark cities too so good luck getting anyone behind Roman.

Ambrose would have been a poor choice just because they've done a lousy job of building him up. If it was ever meant to be Ambrose then the best bet would have been to have him win a non-championship Rumble to face Reigns at Mania.

**Vincent Lane** · **02-22-2016, 08:03 AM**

I disagree. I think Reigns/Ambrose isn't strong enough to carry Mania. They'd end up not being the main event.

HHH/Roman is the big name match, and I do think HHH can still go and make it a good one. He has always been excellent at playing to the strengths of his opponents. I'd also expect a Rocky run-out. Maybe that could precipitate the heel Roman idea, which could then lead to a few months of Dean not liking the direction Roman is taking and then they can have a storyline by Summerslam.

I thought last year it would have been cool for Ambrose to win the belt from Rollins briefly, losing it back to him a few weeks later, but as a main focus guy he isn't there. He can be next year though.

Tommy Gunn · **02-22-2016, 08:05 AM**

I still think Dean is very good in the ring. Is he great? No. He can be, or at least, he can be better. Like you said, I've seen him be better but apparently his gimmick of being a lunatic means he is supposed to have some choppy unorthodox wrestling style that really doesn't work that well. It does get boring at times because it's the same few things over and over again.

I do think he will eventually be a top guy but certainly not until Roman gets his day. Whether because he's earned it, or because it's forced upon us.(The likely scenario.)

That being said, there is more work they need to do to build him up. They could cash in on his popularity now and I think if they didn't have someone earmarked for that title like they have with Roman, they would have done just that. Not saying it would have been the right decision either.

I thought that diva's title match was one fuck up after another with no sells all over the place. It finally came to end in what looked like a rather odd serious of events. Not sure how much a potential knee injury to Brie played into that.

I was also surprised Kalisto retained but glad he did.

~~Peter Fn Gilmour~~ · (02-22-2016)

(02-22-2016, 08:03 AM)LoverboyVinnieLane Said: I disagree. I think Reigns/Ambrose isn't strong enough to carry Mania. They'd end up not being the main event.

HHH/Roman is the big name match, and I do think HHH can still go and make it a good one. He has always been excellent at playing to the strengths of his opponents. I'd also expect a Rocky run-out. Maybe that could precipitate the heel Roman idea, which could then lead to a few months of Dean not liking the direction Roman is taking and then they can have a storyline by Summerslam.

I thought last year it would have been cool for Ambrose to win the belt from Rollins briefly, losing it back to him a few weeks later, but as a main focus guy he isn't there. He can be next year though.

Well yeah, its not a Mania level main event because they haven't done anything with Dean all year. All that I can remember is a short IC feud with Owens. If they handled Roman that way, he probably wouldn't be main event material neither.

But I agree that Dean will eventually win it. Probably through a MitB cash in that leads to a short, uneventful reign.

**02-22-2016, 09:24 AM**

(02-22-2016, 07:13 AM)Tommy Gunn Said:
(02-21-2016, 09:05 PM)Pest Said: Personally, I agree with Trax. Ambrose is not really as good of a choice for stuff as people want him to be. Dude can't work a mic, dude reminds me of DB Sweeney, and he's just not that special. Roman Reigns, however, is. Reigns has the look, he has the swagger, he comes from the right background, and he's just overall better. Lesnar just needs to give up the game. Maybe go home and pretend his wife doesn't look like a used mop.

Can't work the mic? Are you serious? He's one of the best mic guys in the company.

He's also a fantastic wrestler.

Maybe it's me, but I can't stand him on the mic. I can't stand Ambrose, I don't like his gimmick, I find his matches boring, I just want him off the tv when I see him. I don't like DB Sweeney, and I don't like Ambrose.

Mr Killjoy · **02-22-2016, 09:31 AM**

I'm not surprised Kalisto retained. Del Rio is the polar opposite of Ambrose, great look and in ring skills but can't talk or get over to save his life. Its very clear to me that WWE are trying to make Kalisto the next Mysterio, but with that said...Rey is meant to be coming back so God knows whats going to happen to Kalisto's push seeing as WWE have trouble pushing more than one non-white Face singles competition wrestler at a time ( In all fairness they have trouble pushing two WHITE wrestlers as top faces at a time ), so if Rey DOES come back then well... I think Kalisto will be relegated back to The Lucha Dragons/tag team division I'm afraid.

~~Shade~~ · **02-22-2016, 09:42 AM**

Fastlane in my opinion lack loster show to top it off reigns won the damn triple threat even though they knewe would get bood in ambrose home state

**Vincent Lane** · **02-22-2016, 10:56 AM**

(02-22-2016, 09:42 AM)Shade Said: Fastlane in my opinion lack loster show to top it off reigns won the damn triple threat even though they knewe would get bood in ambrose home state

There's the post I was expecting. Never let me down, internet.

**Vincent Lane** · **02-22-2016, 11:07 AM**

(02-22-2016, 08:33 AM)King 2 Madz Said: Well yeah, its not a Mania level main event because they haven't done anything with Dean all year. All that I can remember is a short IC feud with Owens. If they handled Roman that way, he probably wouldn't be main event material neither.

But I agree that Dean will eventually win it. Probably through a MitB cash in that leads to a short, uneventful reign.

Dean main evented two PPVs against Rollins and another with Roman. That's not a bad run.

The problem with saying "they didn't push him" is you could say it about absolutely anyone. They can make anyone into their top guy, really. Sometimes they pick wrong, and they may have with Reigns, but at least they are finishing the story they started.

Back in 1996, they pushed the Rock way too hard way too early, and the fans hated it... but Rocky was able to do alright for himself in the long run. Maybe Reigns will, who knows?

I think Ambrose will always be flirting with the main event, but never THE guy. He can be a Ziggler level guy, which is perfectly fine.

One guy I think WWE really missed the boat on is EC3. They had him and they let him walk, and he's the best thing in TNA by a mile. I hope they someday rectify that.

(02-22-2016, 09:31 AM)"Mr FN Dominance Said: I'm not surprised Kalisto retained. Del Rio is the polar opposite of Ambrose, great look and in ring skills but can't talk or get over to save his life. Its very clear to me that WWE are trying to make Kalisto the next Mysterio, but with that said...Rey is meant to be coming back so God knows whats going to happen to Kalisto's push seeing as WWE have trouble pushing more than one non-white Face singles competition wrestler at a time ( In all fairness they have trouble pushing two WHITE wrestlers as top faces at a time ), so if Rey DOES come back then well... I think Kalisto will be relegated back to The Lucha Dragons/tag team division I'm afraid.

They are doing a cruiser tournament, which might be pretty cool. Bringing in guys like Zack Sabre and La Sombra, and also returning guys like Kendrick and Evan Bourne.

Should be good.

~~Shade~~ · **02-22-2016, 11:20 AM**

Fastlane to me was lackluster yes you might say i'm an internet fan but look at the facts noting happened except what everyone predictected no amazing debuts ,returns , title changes or even storylines builds except for hhh vs Roman reighs which was only a stare down

~~Shade~~ · (02-22-2016)

The problem with saying "they didn't push him" is you could say it about absolutely anyone. They can make anyone into their top guy, really. Sometimes they pick wrong, and they may have with Reigns, but at least they are finishing the story they started.

Back in 1996, they pushed the Rock way too hard way too early, and the fans hated it... but Rocky was able to do alright for himself in the long run. Maybe Reigns will, who knows?

I think Ambrose will always be flirting with the main event, but never THE guy. He can be a Ziggler level guy, which is perfectly fine
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I agree, there are a ton of guys who I think deserve a chance to shine but for some reason they decide to have a fat midcard where no one seems to progress except for Reigns. Then they have to bring in HHH and Brock since no one will take the active roster serious. That cant be normal, I remember wheb WWE was at its best they always had at least 6 guys near the top that you could take serious.

It's totally different with Rock. He turned a couple of months after getting shit on and immediately went to work on his promos. I don't see that with Reigns.

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