(08-13-2014, 06:57 PM)Eli James Said: Cain, you realize you live in the same area as Dr. Zero and 30 minutes from me? Hahaha.

Blizzard,

There is no scientific evidence there is a hell or heaven. The life after death part is where every belief places faith, because ultimately nothing can be proven. Whether you become a god, return as something else, go to Heaven or Hell, or rot in the Earth.. we cannot answer.

Those who are so absorbed in science must explain everything is shallow. Science is all about observation. Science cannot explain a person's decision, the beauty of art or music, morality, etc. For example, morality stems from a person's belief.

I do believe the Jesus written in the Bible. While there are countless discussions on the accuracy of the Bible alone, and would be a longer post than I can provide right now and wish not to interfere too much in the boards regarding my view... I will share a few reasons.

Again, my opinion and observation.

The Bible was written at several different times, by many different people, and eye witnesses or people living during the writing that could easily dispose it if the acts were not true. I see some things that go on in space as a miracle. Jupiter being the 'big brother' of Earth and how it slingshots asteroids is pretty cool. Plus the earth rotating and the sun still burning.. I see as miracles.

One person through at me the whole "talking snake in Genesis" deal. He was agnostic I believe. My response was, "Yes, I believe that. So do you." He responded, "How so?" I simple said, "I believe it happened then, in an instant. You believe over the course of billions of years, a snake eventually turned into a talking human rational thinking human being. You believe in a talking snake like I do, except yours needed billions of years to take place."

Often, people look at things in a view of, say Christianity, and think it's far fetched. That is until you see every possible view on life has strange things that are far fetch.

Scientology: aliens erupted from a volcano, called Thetans, and attached themselves on humans. This is the reason for sickness, disease, anger, etc. Jesus from the Bible was a level 3, and Tom Cruise is at a level 6 last I heard. One Author of their 'Bible'.

Mormon: you become a god. One guy reinterpreted the Bible, among other writings, with special goggles. One eye witness. They changed their 'holy' translation several times because they sometimes got in trouble with racism.

Agnostic: From what I gather, is one that says there COULD be a god but it's highly unlikely. I've heard several propose if there is a God, then we cannot know who he is. If someone makes that claim, then they come with a preconceived idea who of God is.

Atheism: There is still no 100% fact on this. Even Stephen Hawking has shared thoughts on this in several of his books, and leans more towards agnostic view point.

I'll stop there.

If there is no God, then life is ultimately meaningless without purpose. The only purpose we have is what we create for ourselves. There is no ultimate 'punishment' if you do wrong and never get caught. Justice is temporary.

If there is a God, then there are consequences are wrongs you do.. even if the justice system never gets you.

Where did God come from? All I can say is He's always been. If I knew where he came from, then why would I need him?

Something, or someone, must be eternal. A Creator or Universe.

Sorry for the ramble. This may raise even more questions, or may end the conversation.

If I need to stop, I'm fine with it.

@EliJames omg. And I work at Walmart so I've probably seen you guys and dont even know it. My real name is Joseph. To paraphrase Guppy, Former Maintenance associate, nowmer sales associate. Lol

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