As we continue to move further and further away from an era where RPs matter to the entire fed, we need to start coming to terms with the fact that other elements will soon be coming into play and dictating wins/losses.

I do have a few ideas of what we can either replace or supplement RPs with to determine how people perform here, but first I'd like to hear some out of the box ideas you guys might like to see implemented or even experimented with temporarily. I don't care if the idea is a blatant ripoff of something you've seen elsewhere, or something batshit crazy you just dream up on the spot. Let's get some ideas going!

The ultimate goal will be to see new methods in place that are not only effective, but also fun for everyone. A way for people to be able to see and recognize that somebody is "performing well" WITHOUT having to waste a bunch of time reading roleplays that nobody cares about. Nothing is worse than a fed where 90% of the people only know their own storylines and characters, and half of them no-show anyway. It's time for drastic changes to FIX that insanely huge problem before I open the flood gates and allow more members to find us on a consistent basis again.

And... GO!

I'm honestly not sure. I like the way we work. I just think that the reason why people only know their own storylines and characters or just know the opponent's character for a show, is due to the person. I don't look at anyone else's and sometimes a favored person, because I am an asshole and spend almost every waking hour playing video games. But those that aren't me, I guess work and what they like to do in their downtime mix into their reasoning. Some may have kids that still require a lot of parenting, from baby to about 8-ish, and spend most of their time with them. I do try to branch out once in a while and read the work of those that aren't my opponents, but it just depends on if they have an interesting name or not for their character.

Like I said, I'll be the first to admit that I'm an asshole by doing this shit this way, and it's a bad habit, and bad habits are hard to break. Wish they weren't, but they are. But unfortunately I have no idea on how to try and help out with this.

I'm sorry Shane.

Wait, why are we even considering using something other than RP's to judge wins and losses? JUst because not everyone in the fed reads them? That's fine if the judges are reading them, because honestly those are the only people who truly matter when it comes to determining wins and losses.

Honestly, I'm a complete purist when it comes to determining someone's success in a fed, and feel very strongly that only writing counts. Aside from other random factors like the 24/seven titles and the briefcases, which as far as I've seen are unique to here. If we started using other factors to determine overall success, I would leave. Full stop.

If we want to get people more involed reading other people's stuff, maybe what we could do is encourage feedback threads and then give people some sort of bonus for offering substantial feedback. Perhaps by offering X-Bux rewards and then making the X-bux rewards truly relevant again by thinking of new prizes to offer or something.

If we move away from rps then what's the point

Although I agree that there is maybe something to "FIX" I don't think removing roleplays is the solution. Maybe if we insentivies people to be more active like Engy suggested. Maybe if we used a different system to decide contenders and matches. I for one do not get involved with storylines because most of them change from week to week. Would anyone wanna see the same matches every week. We are not WWE here, so maybe a rework is in order just not that drastic of one though in my opinion at least.

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(07-22-2018, 06:04 AM)Jessalyn Hart Said: Although I agree that there is maybe something to "FIX" I don't think removing roleplays is the solution. Maybe if we insentivies people to be more active like Engy suggested. Maybe if we used a different system to decide contenders and matches. I for one do not get involved with storylines because most of them change from week to week. Would anyone wanna see the same matches every week. We are not WWE here, so maybe a rework is in order just not that drastic of one though in my opinion at least.

We really don't have storylines right now either, which kinda blows. Although I have one in mind pertaining to Engy, and the fed at large, that I wanted to propose, but errr....one other thing needs to happen first....

I think it would be great if Vincent Lane and James Raven could speak on this. Both of them seem pretty tuned into what kinds of other feds are out there and the different things they do. I know that there are feds out there where all results are based on interaction between characters twitter accounts. As well as feds where each show allows for 1 rp of 500 words and no more. I believe they call those micro-feds. It seems to me from what little I do know about what other options out there and with what Shane mentioned above that a lot of feds seem to be structured in a way where other handlers have a minimal amount of reading required in order to keep up with what is going on with the fed and the various characters within it.

That makes a whole lot of since.

I know that this will sting where it might hurt but in speaking of rp/ promos, I don't mind reading this don't get me wrong it just that when half of us does do one I don't wanna se or read one that's long as hell. To me that's a huge turn off. Plus when I try to read one that's long I yawn and get sleepy a tad bit. Hence me bitching about long as winded promos/ rps. Can we just keep short sweet and to the point at the very least.

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If we move away from writing it handicaps people like myself. No one ever has the time to read everything it's just life. But like Engy said if the judges are the ones that matters then this should not be an issue.

One of the major issues was already brought up by you guys and that's the lack of any real storylines or angles. I wouldn't dare try to launch a Fed wide angle in a Fed where the majority only knows their own work.

The additional and/or alternative methods would require and promote creativity, awareness and most of all activity.

If all that matters to someone is judges reading their work, you must not have much pride in your work at all. So much of what goes on here is so foreign to me it almost makes me think we should call this the twilight zone instead of an efed.

If I'm the bad guy for wanting to bring new life back to the fed, maybe we should do the opposite and just shut down registrations altogether.

Thanks for all the suggestions I asked for.

I don't think shutting it down is need. I think we just need to find a collective solution. Like maybe having a sub forum or show where we try out the new ideas. We try them out, use ourselves as guinea pig as it were and find some that sticks that will help revitalize our forum and get it back to where it was.

I hate being that kinda person that is always like" when I got here things were different".But if we can focus on a few things and test them out we could possibly better our chances of excelling.

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Something I've been planning to implement for a while now is two alternative "brands" for XWF outside the realm of traditional RPing like we currently have.

One is the bi-weekly micro-RP style (usually 1 rp per match, 1000 word limit, every two weeks)

The other is a fully angled version, just sold on social media. That would consist of a combo of just creating stories as well as awarding wins to those who promote the matches the best on Twitter by tracking the hashtags.

This is what I think I will end up using that proxy site I made a couple months back for, since I imagine we'd see completely different rosters for these options that may or may not want to have any real connection to the traditional version.

Don't change anything

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Like the second option

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Outta curiosity, could we do what the wwe did to spice it up?

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(07-22-2018, 11:17 AM)drezdin5788 Said: Outta curiosity, could we do what the wwe did to spice it up?

Can you be more specific?

I think he means that planned incest/rape angle with Vince and Steph that was abandoned.

Fuck it, Drezdin's in charge

(07-22-2018, 09:24 AM)Shane <img src="https://i.imgur.com/pUgtAVa.gif"> Said: One of the major issues was already brought up by you guys and that's the lack of any real storylines or angles. I wouldn't dare try to launch a Fed wide angle in a Fed where the majority only knows their own work.

The additional and/or alternative methods would require and promote creativity, awareness and most of all activity.

If all that matters to someone is judges reading their work, you must not have much pride in your work at all. So much of what goes on here is so foreign to me it almost makes me think we should call this the twilight zone instead of an efed.

If I'm the bad guy for wanting to bring new life back to the fed, maybe we should do the opposite and just shut down registrations altogether.

Thanks for all the suggestions I asked for.

Obviously the ideal is that everybody reads everybody else's work, but there is no way to enforce that. For me personally, I said that judges reading people's work mattered when it came to wins and losses. But from a general perspective, hell yeah I'd love it if everybody read my stuff, but I understand realistically at best I'll probably just get a small core group of people who do. It's been that way in like every fed I've ever been in.

The fact is that creative writing has always been the core basis of what efedding is all about. If you take that away, or minimize it, it becomes another beast altogether.

You're not the "bad guy" for wanting to make things more innovative. But I think the consensus here is that we want to do that without destroying what an e-fed fundamentally is.

I like Vinnie's idea. Keep one "brand" of the XWF traditional. Roleplay based match results. Turn Savage into the experimental one where we try out these new ideas. I don't really think we have a wide enough player basis to pilot two whole RP based shows lately anyway.

I've actually been in multiple feds over the last 10 years, and they've all been RP based. In fact, with the addition of the 24/7 titles XWF IS the most innovative fed I've ever been in. So as far as what other options are out there, I'm really uninformed about that and have zero experience with them. I know the social media angle has gotten pretty popular. I personally loathe social media and it's not my wheelhouse, so different strokes for different folks.

My vote, turn one of the brands into the new idea, whether it be angled social media or whatnot, leave the other one the same. Maybe make the different titles brand specific.

Edit: Vinnie, could you explain your idea more? I mean, it's gotta be more than just tabulating references on Twitter right? There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of skill involved in that.

Engy, I'm gonna need you to tell me how dope you think my GIF choice for your OTM announcement is.

(07-22-2018, 03:59 PM)Vincent Lane Said: Engy, I'm gonna need you to tell me how dope you think my GIF choice for your OTM announcement is.

Very. They were my favorite celebrity train wreck couple IRL. Doug's an actual crazy person.

I wouldn't mind having different titles. Maybe make a new one or something for Savage. I absolutely agree with everything engy said.

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I'm not understanding why actions and words don't match here. I didn't come out of the blue and decide "Oh hey I want to make RPs matter less because I flipped a coin and got Tails." Well over a year of observation already showed me what my poll a few weeks ago regarding RPs and if they matter, proved.

I've also noticed that a good number of people read this thread and didn't even say anything, meaning they basically don't care either way, which just furthers my point that there's a need for a massive set of changes. On the flip side, another useless (or useful depending how you look at this) fact is that this thread had more legit views from different OOC eyes than any RP for the PPV had.

If I see over the next month that people actually want to have fun here, create activity on the boards here, etc... etc... I'll come back and reply in this very thread that I was wrong about the fed and am basically so out of touch that I'm Vince McCarver now. That will be my new name/gimmick on the site. Unfortunately as it stands now, I can see 100% why our retention rate of new members is so low that more than 75% of them leave BEFORE THEIR FIRST MATCH.

My ideas will bring a very different crowd of people and will give those people things they can do basically every time they visit the site, even if for just a few minutes, to be active and also boost their character, etc... Not just visit the site a couple minutes and then on rare occasions take the time to post an RP most people don't read. Interactions, activity, and innovative changes are due FED WIDE... unless I'm Vince McCarver here. We'll see!

And no, promoting activity off site (twitter, chat rooms, alt sites) is not the answer here. That's only the answer for people who want to leave THIS site, and frankly I don't blame them, and I will gladly hold the door open for them so their hands are free to carry all their baggage with them.

Tick tock...

Just to clarify, you are saying I am not permitted to do the ideas I mentioned?

I dont think that anything needs to change as far as how we rp and the like. As far as everyone not reading everyone elses work 100% of the time, I think that its just wishful thinking to expect that these days. We arent a bunch if kids living out our wrestling fantasy like we used to be. Now the fed is made up mostly with adults. Adults with jobs and responsibilities that severely limit the amount of free time that they have avalible to devote to a hobby such as this.

Vince McCarver or not, if you go changing the very foundation that this game is built on, you will run the risk of driving talented guys like Main and Engy away. On top of that, changing the game into something different isn't going to suddenly boost participation.

I’m not saying that you can’t change things, it’s your fed after all, but I’d definitely caution against it.

With that said, you spoke of a time where everyone did in fact read everyone else’s work, but I think that may be a case of rose colored glasses because I remember things quite differently.

Now is there something broken here? I’d be inclined to agree with you that there is. I’ve noticed on this run that we have what is probably the smallest roster that I’ve ever personally been a part of. The opt ins are down, rping is down, match writing is down.

The site screwing up for a few weeks, and that Savage event taking over a month to post probably didn’t help matters either.

As far as how do we fix it? I’m not sure. We could used some new blood in the fed for sure, but again, changing how the game is played before trying to recruit isn’t a good idea imo.

If we ran two separate brands, Warfare and Savage for example, but with very different rules, that could work, but I think that we always need to keep at least one show that follows the traditional format.

What are other RP feds doing differently and are their retention rates better?

Serious questions, not trying to snark.

(07-24-2018, 04:51 PM)"Dark Warrior" Micheal Graves Said: I dont think that anything needs to change as far as how we rp and the like. As far as everyone not reading everyone elses work 100% of the time, I think that its just wishful thinking to expect that these days. We arent a bunch if kids living out our wrestling fantasy like we used to be. Now the fed is made up mostly with adults. Adults with jobs and responsibilities that severely limit the amount of free time that they have avalible to devote to a hobby such as this.


The site screwing up for a few weeks.....

I also think these are extremely salient points. The site screwing up almost killed MY desire to continue, because I simply didn't have the time to keep refreshing/waiting every time I so much as wanted to look at the site. And yes, I think that maybe a big part of it is that efedders as a whole are just getting older and having different responsibilities.

I also will say that I still support the idea 100% of keeping one show traditional and the other the new experimental whole hog format, whatever it may be.

In fact, I would go as far as saying, that if you are willing to keep one show the same, don't even wait the month and just start doing it now. I'm keen to see what you have in mind.

Edit: Hell with it, I'm gonna go ahead and make a suggestion for a format change that might help with some of these issues too. Shane, remember when we talked about that old fed I was in, Hardkore World, that had everybody for every match RP IN THE SAME THREAD?

Madness, I know. But for those who aren't Shane, years ago I was in what may have been my other favorite fed of all time, called Hardkore World. It was RP based, but everybody RP'ed in the same thread. If you're thinking that sounds like chaos, you'd be right. But the upside though was that it tended to naturally get people involved in other people's work. I mean, at the very least you had to scroll through other people's work to get to your opponents. But, oh wait, somebody else mentioned MY name in their promo? Well I gotta respond to that shit! Or maybe somebody just says something so dumb or does something so rediculous that other people not facing them just have to chime in about it (this happened regularly, and created some of the best moments in the fed IMO).

So how about this? We test pilot a show with one RP thread, and we alter the standards by which an individual's RP is graded. Maybe we add points for responding to people in the thread that aren't your opponent? Or you could riff on something somebody in a different match said? And make winning or losing contingent on that kind of behavior so that people have to read and react more to other's work, while retaining the spirit of creative writing. I mean, in that sense, somebody who completely owns everybody in the thread could end up winning their match just by being that damn prolific and funny/entertaining.

What do we think about that?

(07-24-2018, 04:10 PM)Vincent Lane Said: Just to clarify, you are saying I am not permitted to do the ideas I mentioned?

As an owner you're welcome to do nearly anything you want that isn't going to hurt the fed, but as a solution to the issues in this thread I don't see those ideas being the answers to making this site more active. If your ideas create more activity elsewhere than here, it means it's counter productive. If you want to give new ideas a try and see if they end up helping the fed (this site) be more active, you're more than welcome. I'm always up for seeing how experiments go. I mean I COULD be wrong and the Twitter/offsite ideas may actually boost things here on our actual site. There is no limit to what you can do/try, but I do have a goal and vision that I'd still be looking for in the long run when it comes to this site's ability to be more fun for everyone on a more constant basis even if they're very busy that week.

(07-24-2018, 04:51 PM)"Dark Warrior" Micheal Graves Said: Now the fed is made up mostly with adults. Adults with jobs and responsibilities that severely limit the amount of free time that they have avalible to devote to a hobby such as this.

Which is why we need what? More ways to be active quickly that are fun and also can be worth doing because they'll help you perform better. If you're on the train and have 5 free minutes during the ride, you should be able to (fill in the blank) real quick on your phone as you know (fill in the blank) will only HELP you that week and overall... and will also give others more to see/react to/etc... All hands wash all backs. We're just missing the soap, water, and sponges at the moment.

Quote:Vince McCarver or not, if you go changing the very foundation that this game is built on, you will run the risk of driving talented guys like Main and Engy away. On top of that, changing the game into something different isn't going to suddenly boost participation.

You have to understand that when you own something you want to improve greatly, the future is a lot more important than whatever is here now. I REALLY don't mean that in an asshole way but it's the truth. Anybody who gets driven away by improvements and/or changes, may have been a part of the reason why everyone and everything was so comfortable in a stagnant state.

Quote:With that said, you spoke of a time where everyone did in fact read everyone else’s work, but I think that may be a case of rose colored glasses because I remember things quite differently.

It's my understanding that I've seen and been through a lot more "time" in efedding than you, so it's quite possible you never saw the XWF or other feds at the peak of their participation and activity where basically everyone knew at least some of what everyone else had going on with their characters... not just their own and their opponent that week.

Quote:Now is there something broken here? I’d be inclined to agree with you that there is. I’ve noticed on this run that we have what is probably the smallest roster that I’ve ever personally been a part of. The opt ins are down, rping is down, match writing is down.

The site screwing up for a few weeks, and that Savage event taking over a month to post probably didn’t help matters either.

That's definitely a big part of the problem, yes. As for the site and Savage main event, the delay on the main event was tied to the fact that I was in charge of it myself and had to shift my attention to the much more important problem of the site having issues I needed to explore and reach out to others for help/ideas when I myself couldn't find the clear solution. I think we can all agree though that the issues in this thread existed before the site/Savage problem.

Quote:As far as how do we fix it? I’m not sure. We could used some new blood in the fed for sure, but again, changing how the game is played before trying to recruit isn’t a good idea imo.

When things are slow is THE time to make changes. That is a much better route than me putting in my tried and true methods of increasing sign ups (which I won't do right now in this state), and then once those people either leave (75%) or stay(25%) now we finally make the changes...? I am 100% capable of bringing people TO the fed. In fact over the years I've heard several people comment about how interesting it is that sign ups increase anytime I come back around, and that's because I have some tricks of the trade only I know that result in those increases when I'm around more. Right now I have the ability to use those past methods, but on steroids basically, so I KNOW once I flip a few switches we will see more sign ups but I have no interest in seeing a high number of people just show up and leave. The fixes come first.

Quote:If we ran two separate brands, Warfare and Savage for example, but with very different rules, that could work, but I think that we always need to keep at least one show that follows the traditional format.

That conflicts a bit with how everyone should be able to have ways of being more active even if they only have a few minutes here and there. Half of the fed not participating means the new methods would be only half as effective.

(07-24-2018, 04:51 PM)The Engineer Said: What are other RP feds doing differently and are their retention rates better?

Serious questions, not trying to snark.

I don't really think I'm qualified to answer that since I usually have always tried to ignore what other feds do, even since the first fed I ran 20 years ago or whatever. My guess, though, is that if an RP based fed has a better retention rate then it's probably due to there being more "to" do right off the bat that keeps them entertained and in turn keeps everyone else more active too, etc... I'm sure there is someone here who has a more accurate answer though, if they want to add to this.

Quote:Edit: Hell with it, I'm gonna go ahead and make a suggestion for a format change that might help with some of these issues too. Shane, remember when we talked about that old fed I was in, Hardkore World, that had everybody for every match RP IN THE SAME THREAD?

To be honest, THIS is more like what I'd be interested in having half of the fed try BUT as an addition to several other ways of increasing ways of being active and giving people something to say "hey I'm going to jump on the site real quick and see if (fill in the blank) and I know it can only help my overall performance by supplementing my RPs/score/etc AND is fun." The only major problem I'd see in the single thread idea is that we'd need a seriously small limit on the RPing in that thread or you know everyone is just going to scroll past anything that doesn't directly relate to them anyway.

All in all though, I was serious about seeing what happens over the next month and taking it from there before I force changes fed wide that people who are comfortable just staying stagnant will hate. Let's see what happens! And any other suggestions/ideas are still welcome in this thread in the meantime.

Two words... RACE WAR!

Oops! I mean, BRAND WAR!

Seriously though, I felt like it was more fun when it was more Madness guys vs Warfare guys (I repped Madness yo!).

Also with more people active and the constant back and forth between everybody was really fun. But I don't really see much of it anymore.

But back to the earlier thread, I don't really read random rps unless they are concerning me or they are written by some of my favorite peeps. So maybe more incentivising to participate could help.

Perhaps some some sort of change is needed, maybe combining roleplays with some sort of other feats to decide on victors. Afterall, all of us aren't poetic novelist. But writing roleplays are a lot of peoples bread and butter here so who knows? Perhaps a overall character score like in the video games that can be upgraded over time and wins? People love games that are addicting. So lets make this place more like a drug.

Also, the pro wrestling industry is not doing too good right now. (I haven't watched a full WWE show in years) And I believe this place also suffers from that. So in retrospect, this is all Roman Reigns fault! Am I right?

One thing I have seen elsewhere is perhaps having "stips" that actually involve adapting the way you do your roleplays.

For instance, perhaps in a ladder match you have to write your entire shoot in iambic pentameter.

That's a shitty example, but I think you get what I mean. Like for one type of match you have to show your guy at a press conference, and maybe all the questions are written by other members of the roster for you to answer. That kind of shit.

I was thinking, what if we made a poll for each show, designated a start and finish time, and assign points for the correct predictions, and the member with the most points at the end of the cycle could get a 24/7 case, maybe even two? The goal of this is that the voters would HAVE to read the rp's to win the polls, so this oughta be a decent idea... whadya think Vin? Nobody could vote for their own matches, of course. Also thought about winning streaks, like, if someone hits a certain number, they'd be rewarded, and would continue to be so as long as they continue to win. Hoping to contribute from now on and make up for the past, recent and beyond. Peace.

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To get any more or any other activity going, one we sort out all the no shows stupid asses, two we also sort out the stupid ass who don't give a damn other wrestlers in terms of who they face, and three also sort out the stupid asses who are afraid to face other wrestlers who are not as quote on quote just starting or who are not there yet.

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