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Taking Out the 'Trash'
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#1
03-06-2016, 03:32 AM



"Tommy Gunn... allow me to introduce myself. The name's Ophelia... Ophelia McVeigh. Now, I know what you must be asking; Who on God's green Earth is 'Ophelia McVeigh'. Is it a he or she or both? Is it a wrestler or the less batshit crazy brother of OKC bomber Timothy? The answer to all of these questions; I'm the man that's going to take that title from around your waist. So yes, yes I'm a wrestler. Which is something I'm not so sure I can say about you... I mean, yes, I'm a rookie, but what does it say about a champion when his championship isn't even listed on the company's official website? You're an also-ran, Tom, and I have but one goal;

"To restore the small fraction of esteem that title once held.

"You're ugly, you're stupid, you're old and you have a fat nose. Now, I could make this entire promo into a cacophany of bullshit, untrue statements such as those, but I'm above 'trash talk'. Let's just face a few facts, shall we? You're not ugly... but neither are you a masterpiece of the human physique such as, say, Fernando or Gilmour. I mean, sure, Gilly used to be so fat and disgusting you could replace him with a beached whale and no one would really be any the wiser... but now? He's slightly more handsome. Plus, he holds a title that's actually on the site, so ya gotta give him props for that. But, well, you know... I digress.

"You're not stupid. You clearly have a working brain, and it's set to on. However, you're not a genius, you're not a Mastermind... which may be a good thing, given the fact that that guy hasn't been seen in ages, and it probably has to do with the fact that HIS promos were abysmal. At least yours are somewhat tolerable. You're no brainiac, you're no rocket scientist or brain surgeon or Proffessor. Of course, Dimmy was, and look at him. ... Ok, that may not be such a hot idea unless you're looking to lose your lunch. He proved that "doctorates" are served out just like priest certificates or venerial diseases in a date with Rebel Star... but again, I digress.

"And of course, you're not old. But you are a young stud who isn't wise enough to know when his number's up. Think about it, you're leaving yourself open to attack, and I'm cashing in. I'm creepin' up on yo' left, straight up funky when I get with ya. Keep it ruthless when I get wet, keep the party packed in my corner... Tough like granite to keep the crowd hype, get up on this just to get right, what you want is what you gonna get, Backstreet's got the special effects like UH! ...yeah, a little bit of the Backstreet Boys to fill up this meaningless rant.

In summation?

Suck my dick. ; )

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#2
03-06-2016, 07:50 AM

Hold on a second. Hold on a God damn second, was that supposed to be trash talk? Obviously it was trash there's no two ways about it but were you a guy who looks like a cross breed between a cum guzzling frat boy and a dirty mop trying to pass that off as trash talk? Really?

You spent more time talking about the fed's punching bag, Peter Gilmour, the biggest lady boy the fed has in Austin Fernando and a self proclaimed in Dim. Hey dummy here's an idea, if you want to bring your weak ass grade school bullshit to my front door make sure you actually direct your insults at me.


Listen here fucknuts, if you are going to spend any amount of time shitting on a title all the while trying to win the title that you just took a big "maverick" on then you sir are a flaming pile of hypocritical dog shit.

That also looks like he brushes his teeth with cum.

So here let me give it to you straight you fugly lookin lady boy, this title, the won I wear around my waist, it's staying right where it is. Not because I give even half a fuck about it. In fact, I give so few fucks about it that I am actually handing out fucks like I was god damn Oprah.

You get a fuck, and you get a fuck, everybody gets a fuck because Tommy Gunn gives none. I'm like the mother fucking fuck giving Santa Claus.

But in all seriousness, this title is staying right here because this place is so fucking devoid of actual talent that I can keep the God damn thing while giving -5% effort. That's how fucking bad it is here.

You get it?



Quote:"And of course, you're not old. But you are a young stud who isn't wise enough to know when his number's up.

Thank you. I guess?

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Oh and in summation...you forgot to pin me.

See this is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

Can we just close this title down until some people with actual balls and a brain show up?

Now Girard get in here, do what you get paid to, declare me the champion still and pay me my mother fucking hardly earned money.

PS: You owe me for yesterday. .

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#3
03-06-2016, 09:09 PM

Ophelia and Tommy stand face to face, as Ophelia continues...

Ophelia: I told you I wasn't going to talk trash about you, because I'm above that. Doesn't mean I'm above telling the TRUTH about some of the XWF's worst residents... which honestly seems to be a collective that could use you as a spokesperson. You're boring on the microphone, you're worse in the ring, and you have a fat nose.... I'm sticking by that one.

Ophelia: And you talk about how I'm a 'hypocrite' for taking a few shots at your belt, while simultaneously attempting to bring it off your waist and around mine. Thing is, again, as I told you, I'm trying to restore that title to some semblance of meaning. As long as glorified j0bbers such as yourself drag it with you through the mud, it slowly degrades in value...

Ophelia: ...and you DID kinda reveal yourSELF to be a hypocrite. You spout off about how the title is of import and how I shouldn't down it if I want a crack at it... yet you go on to basically say it's the most meaningless belt in the promotion. Hypocrite much?

Ophelia: You even go so far as to mock the COMPANY, the entire federation, and claim it's beneath you. Yet you're waiting to be treated like a legit competitor? Sorry, my friend, but that's not quite how it works. If you put 100% effort into your work, as I do, then you'd find yourself somewhere... the only place you'll find yourself at giving -5% is at rock bottom.

Ophelia: And most grievous of all... you claim I use childish puns to belittle you... yet you strew your promo with gay jokes? Who's REALLY the grade schooler here? Yes, I called you a young stud, as in a young buck, as in a man stepping into the circuit, ready to take on the world. You're clearly homophobic. Which is fine. Because since I'm bi, I can do this--

Ophelia kisses Tommy right on the nose, and the guy goes ballistic. He swings, but Ophelia ducks under... Tommy turns around right into a steel pan shot from Ophelia's friend, Alice. Tommy drops, Ophelia goes for the cover, and a ref comes by to count the fall as Alice cheers her 'big brother' on...



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03-07-2016, 04:34 AM

OOC: Thanks for using my character in your response. It invalidated it and thus, I don't have to waste my time responding.

Appreciate it bruh.

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#5
03-07-2016, 04:52 AM

(03-06-2016, 07:50 AM)Tommy Gunn Said:

Oh and in summation...you forgot to pin me. See this is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

OOC: How am I supposed to pin you if I can't use your character in some capacity? That's how it works in the Xtreme title, and how it worked for the UFO/Heavy Metal/Ark of the Covenant. Again, you say to pin you... then when I do, you say I broke a rule. Which is it?


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(03-05-2016, 09:53 AM)Shade Said: Without shoes
Find Gunn in the alley way, He find 3 cheap hookers pays them and gives them to gunn which in turn persuade him to stay down for the count

1...............................

2...............................

...ahem?

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#6
03-07-2016, 05:15 AM

You want this thing so bad have it? I honestly don't have the desire to explain the rules to you for the 600th time.

If you don't understand the difference between what Shade did and what you did then I don't know what to tell you. It's clear you don't seem to understand the rules seeing as how you used Fernando yet again in your X title pin but whatever.

Have the belt.

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#7
03-07-2016, 05:43 AM

... you're SUPPOSED to use the Xtreme champ in those posts. All you CAN'T do is have them talk. Check out any thread there, you attack the champ, pin them, and see if they don't respond in time. You can use the other characters in the 24/7 sections, such as in "Interaction". Yes, normally you can't use other members' characters, but these are the exceptions to the rule. I may be wrong, but I was here in 2013, that's how it worked for the two other belts, came back, still the same, and now I see you have to pin the champ on here. How can you pin a champ without mentioning them being within your character's vicinity?

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from mini morbid's pin of ginger:

Quote:Nice of you to join us, slattern! You enjoyed the lovemaking of the MINI MORBIDGOD for nine hours! AS IS EXPECTED! NOW HOLD STILL VILE SUCCUBUS!

Mini Morbid adjust and reinserts, pinning Ginger.

Your constant jabbering has caused your rotten quim to pulsate and send a wave of nauseating stink to my nose holes! GOD NOSTRILS! But your mephitic cunt vapors will not save you on this day! YOU ARE TO BE THE CONCUBINE FOR THE MINI GOD!

Mini Morbid slowly… slowly… runs his face over the crotchal area of Ginger, lifting her sundress slightly with one boxing-gloved hand and inhaling deeply.

he nt only pinned her, he basically raped her. so there's that.

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#8
03-07-2016, 06:36 AM

Wrong again. But whatever.

Take the belt, enjoy it now before your feigned ignorance of the rules that have been explained to you over and over again gets you banned.

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#9
03-07-2016, 06:59 AM

... So I'm wrong about Mini-Morbid sticking his cock in Ginger's mouth, rubbing his groin all over her face and pinning her?

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03-07-2016, 08:16 AM

(03-07-2016, 06:59 AM)Ophelia McVeigh Said: ... So I'm wrong about Mini-Morbid sticking his cock in Ginger's mouth, rubbing his groin all over her face and pinning her?

Not trying to get involved with this, but the difference is that you are writing actions that Gunn is doing without permission as well as writing your actions against Gunn. In all the examples you listed, they didn't write for the other character, only themselves.

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#11
03-07-2016, 10:33 AM

Gunn is still champ.

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#12
03-07-2016, 12:09 PM

Can't even give this God damn title away.

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#13
03-07-2016, 01:27 PM

I definitely agree with the spirit of the rule in general, but I'm a little confused that, unless missed something, I'm only seeing the following actions by Gunn:

Ophelia kisses Tommy right on the nose, and the guy goes ballistic. He swings, but Ophelia ducks under... Tommy turns around right into a steel pan shot from Ophelia's friend, Alice.

If that's really all of it, I think we're being a little ticky-tack on the rule, don't you think?

Again, I agree with the rule typically, but this kinda seems like an example of it being enforced more because of who the poster is than anything else. Same with the revised X-pin, which I am assuming is invalid because of an auto-play video. It could have just been edited out or removed by a mod, instead of completely not counting, don't you think?

Point is, it's pretty obvious that it's just a matter of being harder on one person than would be done against another.

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03-07-2016, 01:36 PM

(03-07-2016, 01:27 PM)LoverboyVinnieLane Said: I definitely agree with the spirit of the rule in general, but I'm a little confused that, unless missed something, I'm only seeing the following actions by Gunn:

Ophelia kisses Tommy right on the nose, and the guy goes ballistic. He swings, but Ophelia ducks under... Tommy turns around right into a steel pan shot from Ophelia's friend, Alice.

If that's really all of it, I think we're being a little ticky-tack on the rule, don't you think?

Again, I agree with the rule typically, but this kinda seems like an example of it being enforced more because of who the poster is than anything else. Same with the revised X-pin, which I am assuming is invalid because of an auto-play video. It could have just been edited out or removed by a mod, instead of completely not counting, don't you think?

Point is, it's pretty obvious that it's just a matter of being harder on one person than would be done against another.

I don't think you're talking about me, but I have nothing against Rayne and in fact he and I have talked on Skype and he seems pretty cool although I can't speak for these two lol. However, the Xtreme pin attempt which is still up to see doesn't count because Rayne pretty much wrote out an entire story controlling Fernando without consent from my understanding. Unless I'm wrong, then feel free to tear apart my asshole.
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03-07-2016, 01:39 PM

I saw the first one where he and Austin were interacting and speaking, but from what I glanced at in the new one he took that all out. Again, I could have missed some, but he at least made an effort to.

And in this thread here I'm not seeing any real issue in what he posted. That rule exists because obviously you don't want someone else making your guy do something out of character or whatever... but simply writing that Gunn took a swing at him isn't at all an issue, I wouldn't think. Tommy Gunn definitely would have taken a swing at a dude who kissed him.

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03-07-2016, 01:42 PM

(03-07-2016, 01:39 PM)LoverboyVinnieLane Said: I saw the first one where he and Austin were interacting and speaking, but from what I glanced at in the new one he took that all out. Again, I could have missed some, but he at least made an effort to.

Oh no, that was declared null because Luca's pin was going on at the same time and Austin had yet to reply. Apologies, thought you meant the first one.
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#17
03-07-2016, 01:47 PM

Ah, ok, I didn't even realize that. Still though, we usually just ignore those.

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#18
03-07-2016, 01:55 PM

I don't think Shane got around to an announcement yet but one of my duties is to handle any issues that come up here.

FWIW I see what Lane here is saying but I'd too be curious if something's been missed or at least which part of the attack is being called out. Goes without saying that some actions are accepted. I've even seen some go so far as to write offense in for the attackee and turning it into a back and forth brawl before getting the upper hand and making the pin. Now those guys who had offense written for them could come back and say they don't agree with that because it made it look like the attacker out faught them fairly instead of it looking like a surprise.

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#19
03-07-2016, 02:26 PM

First, the post has an autoplay in it which is not allowed.

Rayne has been told about this I don't even know how many times. I know this because most of the time I was sending him the PM's telling him to stop and he would usually then ask if he could post autoplays on this board but not that board and so on and so forth. Eventually when he felt like he wasn't getting his way Shane would suddenly be CC'd on the PM's. Of course, to my knowledge Shane did not get involved because the rules are the rules and Rayne takes issue with them.

Secondly, he didn't pin me in the initial post so that right there invalidates the entire thread as far as I understood the rules.

Thirdly, it may be nit picky but he did use my character in a way that I'm not a fan of. And while others may do far worse that is up to each handler to take exception or not. Just because they may not does not mean that a lesser issue is not an issue.

Fourthly and this has nothing to do with this specific post but with the Austin Fernando X title pin, first he wrote up dialogue for Fernanado then he took that out but still wrote up a several hundred word scene in which he had Fernando doing all kinds of things. Oh and it included an autoplay.

The mods shouldn't have to remove an autoplay from every Rayne thread because he is too ignorant to follow the rules.

Once is more than enough. You want to remove an autoplay from a newbie who doesn't know any better? Go for it. Send them a PM or make an edit note at the bottom of the post: Hey, removed your autoplay because they are only allowed on rp boards. and that's that.

Both of which have been done for Rayne but he still seems to ignore it.

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03-07-2016, 03:13 PM

I guess I assumed the autoplay and the non-pin here weren't the issue since the thread had continued on long after those things.

I just feel bad when I see someone catch a bunch of shit for being "annoying" or whatever.

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#21
03-07-2016, 03:20 PM

There is a huge difference between annoying and blatantly ignoring rules that you've been told about countless times.

I was willing to overlook the fact that there wasn't a pin and that there was an autoplay at first but then he decided to go a step further with ignoring the rules that have been made clear to him.

How many things should someone have to ignore?

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#22
03-07-2016, 03:22 PM

In my opinion, he wasn't going to win anyway.

If it were me, I'd have just counted the pin in Gunn's favor to start with and it would have all already been over with.

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03-07-2016, 03:24 PM

Well on that I agree but I can't make that call. Hopefully, at the end of the day, what was said in this thread sinks in.

But if history is any indication...

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03-07-2016, 03:46 PM

Truest of all here is the missing form of a real pin happening in the first place. That gives you the right to just ignore it or reply ooc, or play along ic- you played along and he figured out to include a pin. I'll have to get more info on that auto play rule and where things aren't allowed but that's the least of my concern. At least the song choice wasn't as bad as it could have been. Angel Don't know if I'm clear yet though about which actions you didnt appreciate unless you mean the using of the word ballistic? Having him stand there before hand while he spoke could be understood as it's the goal of the board to talk up that trash game. As far as the status of this pin? Since it already dissolved let's all pretend this thread never happened and see who pins a new 1 next.

Oh and Shade's pin thread isn't valid because of all the reasons.
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#25
03-07-2016, 04:02 PM

(03-07-2016, 03:46 PM)GladiatorXWF Said: Truest of all here is the missing form of a real pin happening in the first place. That gives you the right to just ignore it or reply ooc, or play along ic- you played along and he figured out to include a pin. I'll have to get more info on that auto play rule and where things aren't allowed but that's the least of my concern. At least the song choice wasn't as bad as it could have been. Angel Don't know if I'm clear yet though about which actions you didnt appreciate unless you mean the using of the word ballistic? Having him stand there before hand while he spoke could be understood as it's the goal of the board to talk up that trash game. As far as the status of this pin? Since it already dissolved let's all pretend this thread never happened and see who pins a new 1 next.

Oh and Shade's pin thread isn't valid because of all the reasons.

OOC: ''Okay it's understandable try not to do that thread again i think you should a words caps and what you can do and what you can't do''

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#26
03-07-2016, 04:11 PM

Shade I'm afraid the issue with your last pin was that it didn't include trash talk and the whole point of this part of the fed is to attack each other with trash talk. It's ok to do a quick pin on the X-Treme board but here on the Federweight you need trash talk and a pin.

Plz read the rules if you have not
rules Said:The Federweight Championship is defended 24/7!

Call out the champion and do whatever it takes to get the pin.

Rules:

Only one person may attempt a pin/trash talk attempt at a time.

Judging will be based solely on trash talk. Winning the judgement gives you a successful pin or successful defense if you're the defending champ.

Trash talk must be 500 words or less. Going over this number in the trash talk portion is an automatic DQ if the judge happens to count/catch it.

No story is allowed except for the pin portion. The pin can be as long as you like and doesn't affect judging in any way.

Back and forth trash talk is allowed end encouraged but if it starts to become clear who's winning, a count could get made at any time to conclude that thread.

No back to back posts are allowed until 6 hours have past with no response from your opponent.

Winning the championship earns you 5,000 X-Bux, and 7,000 for each successful defense.

Attacker must include a pin for storyline purposes.

Champion must include a kick out as well.
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03-07-2016, 04:17 PM

The rule is no autoplay anywhere, except for actual show RPs or CD RPs. Nothing that can be replied to, basically, and it has to be t the very top so it can be found and shut off easily.

As for Shade... I think he has no idea how the Federweight works.

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#28
03-07-2016, 05:05 PM

Hoping we can get some clarification, as it is written my interpretation of the following rule varies from yours -

(06-25-2013, 01:39 PM)Shane <img src="https://i.imgur.com/pUgtAVa.gif"> Said: If you have a youtube video set to AUTO play in your roleplay, it MUST be at the top of the screen above your content. In other words, the person reading the RP should not have to scroll down to the bottom of the RP and click pause if they're in a situation where they can't or don't want sound coming out of their speakers.

This applies only to actual roleplays.
I may be wrong but I don't take that last line as an outlawing of all videos outside of an rp, I take it as saying the rule is unneeded elsewhere. Is there a different similar rule that someone can pull up addressing vids getting posted inside threads that allow replies?
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03-07-2016, 05:33 PM

Only AUTOplay. The ones that play without you manually starting them.

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#30
03-07-2016, 09:08 PM

Ok, first of all, thank you Vinny for taking up for me, you've been extremely cool to me since we first met, and I'm glad to have a friend like you. And, yes I didn't place a pin in the original post... But, I swear I didn't intentionally break any rules, though I do admit I broke a few. And I'm sure my meaning to or not doesn't matter to Frodo or others, but I promise to any that care that I did try to do this legit. I truly didn't think I was breaking any rules, as, for one thing, I know I've been told about this countless times, but I take the autoplay rule as 'any RPs'.

I think that's what Gladiator was talking about, that regardless of if the thread allows replies or not, it can be put on autoplay. When I go to a thread, I click on the name of the thread on the sidebar, so it goes to the top post, so I don't take into account the people that go straight to the new post. I use autoplay so that I know that people will get the feeling I'm intending for the rp, and as someone said, I did choose the right song for this, IMO. Though, if I can't use them for non matchRP/CD stuff then that's fine, because I'm finally starting to do better, and I want to keep that going.

And I took out Austin's speech, not his actions, but I wrote him how I feel he'd portray his character, just as Vinnie mentioned about Gunn. I had him shown in the most positive light I could, showing his charm and way with the ladies and all that, and I THOUGHT it was actually going to be well received, but it wasn't. I was told on Skype to just take the 'L' but I poured about an hour and a half to two hours into it, and though I didn't need to do that, I wanted to prove myself, and that came to mind.

But it's fine, I'll take the two losses, but I'm just hoping I can turn things around, because the energy I'd been feeling is kinda waning now because the things I try to do are falling flat, and I'm failing. But, I'm not gonna go emo like I did in '13. I'd just like some reassurance that what I'm writing isn't all for nought. But I do stand by my statement that I didn't 'blatantly' ignore the rules.

When I posted both of these, all of that didn't cross my mind, I just go into an rp with a song in mind, and that's what fuels my writing. BTW, Vince, you said you didn't think I was going to win... I know the first one wasn't great and this is kinda off-topic, but was the 2nd any good? I used to be pretty decent with trash talk, but I dunno if it's really anywhere near the level it used to be. What do you think of my writing, and specifically, that area? :^/


P.S.: Tommy, history is a huge indication. Regardless of what anyone says, I know I've come a long way over the years. Tush told me yesterday that I seem to be a lot different from what he was told about from my initial run here. And, frankly, comparing my first run, with all the negative, depressing, self-pitying shit I said and did... and this run, where my biggest issue is autoplay? I think that goes to show something. But take it for what you will.

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#31
03-07-2016, 09:15 PM

I didn't mean that it was bad. Tommy's just really good at it.

Look, you can't take 24/7 losses to heart. Most of them are going to be losses. I've made probably 100 X Title pins, and all but one of them was a loss.

The Feder has a better success rate, and it's better for trying to improve on stuff (The X is really nothing more than luck. Honestly, Fern doesn't have to do anything other than pop online within 12 hours to overcome all of your effort) but the Feder also has some stricter rules as far as posting times and word limits, etc.

Don't take stuff like this personal. Everyone involved just seems to be taking it more serious than need be,

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#32
03-08-2016, 04:34 AM

(03-07-2016, 05:33 PM)Mini Morbid Said: Only AUTOplay. The ones that play without you manually starting them.

Correct. If you want to put videos in other posts on the boards outside of an RP that's perfectly fine but it can not be an autoplay. It has to be the kind where you have to click the video to get it going.

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#33
03-08-2016, 04:40 AM

(03-07-2016, 09:08 PM)Ophelia McVeigh Said: P.S.: Tommy, history is a huge indication. Regardless of what anyone says, I know I've come a long way over the years. Tush told me yesterday that I seem to be a lot different from what he was told about from my initial run here. And, frankly, comparing my first run, with all the negative, depressing, self-pitying shit I said and did... and this run, where my biggest issue is autoplay? I think that goes to show something. But take it for what you will.

I actually agree with you, and in fact I even told someone the other day that you seem to be much more toned down than some of the stuff I had seen from you in the past. However, your actions are your actions, past, present or future and you are accountable for them just like everyone else is.

Your biggest issue here this time around has not been the use of autoplay where it shouldn't be, obviously the biggest issue here is how you are using other characters without their consent. It is not your right to write Fernando how you think Fernando would portray him. That kind of thing is very clearly a no no because doing so allows for so many bad things to happen.

Imagine if I wrote a 24/7 post where I had your character get gang raped by a gaggle of silver back apes(h/t Entourage) because I thought that's how your character would be portrayed because that's what I thought your character would like? Do you see how unfair that would be to your character? I know I'd be furious if someone did that to me. And yes, while that example is extreme, it is something that could happen if the door is opened. But it's not, it remains firmly closed and I think you would do yourself a world of good if you recognized that. I think you would end up having more fun if you just kept it more simple. I really do. People take their characters seriously, most of them anyway so please respect that.

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#34
03-08-2016, 08:17 AM

Thank you for recognizing my change from the last run... I've only used Tommy and Austin, but I do get it. Won't happen again... truce?

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#35
03-08-2016, 08:35 AM

You don't need to ask for a truce, I don't take offense to the things you do, even if i may take issue with them. As long as we all follow the rules I'm good.

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