And there are many who spend their days wallowing around the shadows, watching those who don't deserve their praise, rise to the top, and dominate our world as if they own us.
But it doesn't have to be this way.
All it takes; is an idea.
Something to put a plan in motion.
Someone to speak out among the crowd.
And that someone is here.
That someone is me.
Do I look for fame? Glory? Gold?
That one shot I believe I deserve?
No.
I'm looking for fairness.
Equality.
And justice.
There who have been sitting on the pedestal for far too long, names like Mr. Supernova, Luca Arzegotti...
John Madison.
All of the Black Circle.
And hey, Theo won the Crown, right? Maybe this is a new start--
Bzzt, wrong.
Black Circle.
I'm proposing a new start. A world without these all-seeing, all-knowing 'entities' dominating our world. Without these 'giants' dictating our lives how we see fit.
And I'm sure many others want it too.
And that's why I need your help.
Join Me.
It doesn't matter who you are. What I had done to you. What you feel about me.
Smoke Man, I never liked you. Never have, never will. But what you're speakin' is what I've been preachin' all along. Finally you got it through your head. We may not ever get along, but when it comes to business, I'll push my personal relations to the side.
Liz shakes Smoke Man's hand, signaling the beginning of the end for the Black Circle
(11-30-2013, 06:20 PM)ljTheSavior Said: I see a pattern emerging..Maybe everyone is right these things never last.
I enjoy your enthusiasm and the fact that you believe in something even though it will probably fail.
Good luck. But if my services are required I'm there.
Smoke looks LJ dead in the eye.
Probably fail? Under these circumstances, I'd say that this is about the only chance we will get. You've lead your revolution before, and by rights it hadn't really gotten anywhere.
But now it is time for you to take that chance. Stand with me. Or without me.
There is no in-between.
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1x X-Treme Champion
And there are many who spend their days wallowing around the shadows, watching those who don't deserve their praise, rise to the top, and dominate our world as if they own us.
But it doesn't have to be this way.
All it takes; is an idea.
Something to put a plan in motion.
Someone to speak out among the crowd.
And that someone is here.
That someone is me.
Do I look for fame? Glory? Gold?
That one shot I believe I deserve?
No.
I'm looking for fairness.
Equality.
And justice.
There who have been sitting on the pedestal for far too long, names like Mr. Supernova, Luca Arzegotti...
John Madison.
All of the Black Circle.
And hey, Theo won the Crown, right? Maybe this is a new start--
Bzzt, wrong.
Black Circle.
I'm proposing a new start. A world without these all-seeing, all-knowing 'entities' dominating our world. Without these 'giants' dictating our lives how we see fit.
And I'm sure many others want it too.
And that's why I need your help.
Join Me.
It doesn't matter who you are. What I had done to you. What you feel about me.
And as you can see, we're merely the bottom of the food chain.
Nothing more than cannon fodder.
Can you honestly say you're happy like that? Or do you want to be the best? The only way you're going to do that is if you are able, and as long as they are around... you never will be.
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1x X-Treme Champion
But there is an in between. You see we have a common enemy now. The same enemy I was speaking of when you got here.. yet you laughed myself and Cam off.. You treated us like we were the bad guys..
I know who the true bad guys are..and so do you now. If you were smart you would see that I can be of value to your movement with out being a part of it.
So that's that in-between you said didn't exist...I'm saying. I stand with you against them, BUT I will not fall under your leadership.
Noted.. But I have to bring somethin to your attention. If someone claims that they are crazy or any other variation of the term, they are NOT crazy. You do not know crazy, bub.
First off, don't just put me in the same sentence as Sebastian Duke and Steve Davids willy-nilly. Fuck those guys.
Second, We have had tons of rebellions, revolutions, and connections and none of those have worked. What makes this different?
Third, I am already in a group that is trying to make the company better, by creating and enforcing a wellness policy. I am willing to form an alliance with your group IF and only IF your rebellion has strict rules against drug usage and showing up to work drunk.
Leadership? Who said anything about leadership? All we need to do is stand together LJ. Whatever our motives, whatever we feel. The past should be behind us. All you need to do is stand with me, and maybe we can win.
Maybe.
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(11-30-2013, 06:36 PM)ljTheSavior Said: Good. Just don't go throwing my name around.. And if this is a set-up to hurt all the people that dislike you, I will kill you..Understood?
Duly noted.
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First off, don't just put me in the same sentence as Sebastian Duke and Steve Davids willy-nilly. Fuck those guys.
Second, We have had tons of rebellions, revolutions, and connections and none of those have worked. What makes this different?
Third, I am already in a group that is trying to make the company better, by creating and enforcing a wellness policy. I am willing to form an alliance with your group IF and only IF your rebellion has strict rules against drug usage and showing up to work drunk.
What makes this different, you ask? Well, for one, I'm not a guy trying to throw a bunch of selfish idiots together to make a 'new world order' for the guys who like to do their own shit together.
I'm a guy trying to point people in the right direction. There is a way to fight and there is a way to win, there is a way for us to be free to do what we want; wrestle.
You don't have to stand beside me. Fuck, you can be on the other side of the damn planet for all I care. Just as long as we're fighting the same target, then if we can succeed, any problems or strife that is between us can be settled. Whether it's about drugs, petty disagreements, so much as saying someone's name along with another person's name; we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
But if we can stop, shut the fuck up, and look at the real problem, then maybe we'll all stop talking about revolutions and rebellions.
Because there won't need to be another one.
XWF Win-Loss Record
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Title History
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1x X-Treme Champion
Like maybe challenging the champion of the group you hate so much?
Never mind. You're right; start a group instead.
It's about making a point, John. About making a message.
Smoke chuckles.
Maybe that's exactly why you've 'changed' as much as you have. Couldn't stand the responsibilities that being a king, much less a man, entails. Which is probably why you had decided to give both up.
Along with, you know, your dignity.
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1x X-Treme Champion
:3 x Better: Don't worry about the Black Circle; it's soon to be old news anyway. They're about to be bulldozed right off the map, Smoke Man.
Then again, the same can be said about your group. I run with the elite and I represent the seal of excellence in this business. Let me make it clear -- Smokey The Bitch -- that you do not speak my fucking name when you're rambling on about gathering supporters. I don't want people clinging to you because they heard my name coming out of your lips. If you're engaged in a battle with the Circle when WE come shredding through the CIrcle's ranks, you're going to get stuffed into the same damn meat grinder as all of them.
Yes and if you wish really hard and click your heels together, three times while saying - I will bring down The Black Circle! Nothing will fucking happen and you'll just be horribly maimed and left for dead. At least if you're going to start giving inspirational speeches, Smokey....make them realistic. Take this from a man who's actually had angry villages with pitchforks come after him....the weak and stupid huddled in a mass, doesn't give them more power over the truly omnipotent. Why don't you uprise and revolt against a force you can beat? I hear the Brotherhood is on the verge of death, why not start there?
Nova, you are what is wrong with this company..Hell this planet. And the rest of the Black Circle. I will win that gauntlet next week on Madness and then I will take what's rightfully mine.. That Television Championship you barely escaped with.
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(11-30-2013, 06:54 PM)3xB+Hx2=4HK Sid Feder Said: :3 x Better: Don't worry about the Black Circle; it's soon to be old news anyway. They're about to be bulldozed right off the map, Smoke Man.
Then again, the same can be said about your group. I run with the elite and I represent the seal of excellence in this business. Let me make it clear -- Smokey The Bitch -- that you do not speak my fucking name when you're rambling on about gathering supporters. I don't want people clinging to you because they heard my name coming out of your lips. If you're engaged in a battle with the Circle when WE come shredding through the CIrcle's ranks, you're going to get stuffed into the same damn meat grinder as all of them.
'Smokey the Bitch'. Fuck, these names are getting imaginative, aren't they? Jesus.
And hey, do whatever the fuck you want, drive me into the ground while you fight the Black Circle. I think it's come to a point where so many people want their head, they'll be ripping off their 'allies' heads in the process.
I don't expect you to like me, Sid, much less respect me, but I respect the fuck out of you. If you get the job done; you get the job done. Who am I to stand in your way if you're just going to do what I want done in the first place.
It's not about taking sides. Nothing like that at all. Groups have nothing to do with it. Fight the power all you want, hell, fight each other for whoever gets there first. But to me, the less enemies, the better.
So quite frankly, I'm not going to bother with you. Do whatever the fuck you want, because at the end of the day, you're probably going to get the job done better than I ever could.
But you won't be able to do it alone.
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1x X-Treme Champion
(11-30-2013, 06:55 PM)ljTheSavior Said: Nova, you are what is wrong with this company..Hell this planet. And the rest of the Black Circle. I will win that gauntlet next week on Madness and then I will take what's rightfully mine.. That Television Championship you barely escaped with.
:3 x Better: That's probably true. I can't really see Nova holding onto his title much longer after the miserable performance the entire Black Circle put on.
Isn't that right, Nova? How do you expect to fight and win?
Then again -- you did give John Madison the body of a woman.
SO maybe--
You could give yourself the body of a man?
*drops bitch* What happened--? ? *walks away*
SiDFedeR
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(11-30-2013, 06:57 PM)Gavin Graves Said: You are garnering more opposition than allies dumbass.. Even Feder doesn't want any part of this and he hates the Black Circle just as much as you.
Walking away, Sid hears his name so he spins around wide eyed.
:3 x Better: And who the hell are you? Shut the FUCK UP!
Sid storms off in a fit of rage.
:3 x Better: These mother fuckers need to stop dropping my damn name left and right.
*drops bitch* What happened--? ? *walks away*
SiDFedeR
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First off, don't just put me in the same sentence as Sebastian Duke and Steve Davids willy-nilly. Fuck those guys.
Second, We have had tons of rebellions, revolutions, and connections and none of those have worked. What makes this different?
Third, I am already in a group that is trying to make the company better, by creating and enforcing a wellness policy. I am willing to form an alliance with your group IF and only IF your rebellion has strict rules against drug usage and showing up to work drunk.
What makes this different, you ask? Well, for one, I'm not a guy trying to throw a bunch of selfish idiots together to make a 'new world order' for the guys who like to do their own shit together.
I'm a guy trying to point people in the right direction. There is a way to fight and there is a way to win, there is a way for us to be free to do what we want; wrestle.
You don't have to stand beside me. Fuck, you can be on the other side of the damn planet for all I care. Just as long as we're fighting the same target, then if we can succeed, any problems or strife that is between us can be settled. Whether it's about drugs, petty disagreements, so much as saying someone's name along with another person's name; we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
But if we can stop, shut the fuck up, and look at the real problem, then maybe we'll all stop talking about revolutions and rebellions.
Because there won't need to be another one.
John puts down her bottle for a moment.
Are you listening to this guy, Hunter?
I'll have you know that I am a strong advocate for a drug-free, alcohol-free, straight edge, wellness-enforced workplace.
I believe that we should piss test every XWF superstar who walks through those doors, and then first one would be that son of a bitch Griffin MacAlister. Furthermore, I would go as far as setting up a breathalyzer check point before these superstars step through the curtain every night.
This wellness policy is a bigger issue than Smoke Man wants it to be. He wants to start up this revolution, or whatever, but he doesn't care if the members are fit to fight? Hell, you might as well just sign up random ass members of the audience!
Smoke Man might have some good ideas here, but he will not be able to execute them.
Fuck him, how dare he shrug off your straight edge movement.
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(11-30-2013, 07:02 PM)Smoke Man Said: 'Smokey the Bitch'. Fuck, these names are getting imaginative, aren't they? Jesus.
:3 x Better: I could drink nine bottle of NyQuil and be running on some sort of subconscious autopilot and still you'd get about the same amount of imagination out of me. It's because it's you, pal. I call you Smokey The Bitch and people go to themselves -- heh heh, it's funny cuz it's true. He's a bitch.
Quote:And hey, do whatever the fuck you want, drive me into the ground while you fight the Black Circle. I think it's come to a point where so many people want their head, they'll be ripping off their 'allies' heads in the process.
I don't expect you to like me, Sid, much less respect me, but I respect the fuck out of you. If you get the job done; you get the job done. Who am I to stand in your way if you're just going to do what I want done in the first place.
It's not about taking sides. Nothing like that at all. Groups have nothing to do with it. Fight the power all you want, hell, fight each other for whoever gets there first. But to me, the less enemies, the better.
So quite frankly, I'm not going to bother with you. Do whatever the fuck you want, because at the end of the day, you're probably going to get the job done better than I ever could.
But you won't be able to do it alone.[/color]
:3 x Better: I've got nothing against you personally, just like I've got no reason to think up an insult better than Smokey The Bitch. I was simply stating an obvious fact earlier -- The dynasty that surpasses the Black Circle will have FOUR kings. I never said I was doing it alone, Smoke Man. I might be Three Times Better, but I'm only a Fourth of the cause.
*drops bitch* What happened--? ? *walks away*
SiDFedeR
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First off, don't just put me in the same sentence as Sebastian Duke and Steve Davids willy-nilly. Fuck those guys.
Second, We have had tons of rebellions, revolutions, and connections and none of those have worked. What makes this different?
Third, I am already in a group that is trying to make the company better, by creating and enforcing a wellness policy. I am willing to form an alliance with your group IF and only IF your rebellion has strict rules against drug usage and showing up to work drunk.
What makes this different, you ask? Well, for one, I'm not a guy trying to throw a bunch of selfish idiots together to make a 'new world order' for the guys who like to do their own shit together.
I'm a guy trying to point people in the right direction. There is a way to fight and there is a way to win, there is a way for us to be free to do what we want; wrestle.
You don't have to stand beside me. Fuck, you can be on the other side of the damn planet for all I care. Just as long as we're fighting the same target, then if we can succeed, any problems or strife that is between us can be settled. Whether it's about drugs, petty disagreements, so much as saying someone's name along with another person's name; we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
But if we can stop, shut the fuck up, and look at the real problem, then maybe we'll all stop talking about revolutions and rebellions.
Because there won't need to be another one.
John puts down her bottle for a moment.
Are you listening to this guy, Hunter?
I'll have you know that I am a strong advocate for a drug-free, alcohol-free, straight edge, wellness-enforced workplace.
I believe that we should piss test every XWF superstar who walks through those doors, and then first one would be that son of a bitch Griffin MacAlister. Furthermore, I would go as far as setting up a breathalyzer check point before these superstars step through the curtain every night.
This wellness policy is a bigger issue than Smoke Man wants it to be. He wants to start up this revolution, or whatever, but he doesn't care if the members are fit to fight? Hell, you might as well just sign up random ass members of the audience!
Smoke Man might have some good ideas here, but he will not be able to execute them.
Fuck him, how dare he shrug off your straight edge movement.
...You realise he still has a problem with you anyway, right?
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(11-30-2013, 07:02 PM)Smoke Man Said: 'Smokey the Bitch'. Fuck, these names are getting imaginative, aren't they? Jesus.
:3 x Better: I could drink nine bottle of NyQuil and be running on some sort of subconscious autopilot and still you'd get about the same amount of imagination out of me. It's because it's you, pal. I call you Smokey The Bitch and people go to themselves -- heh heh, it's funny cuz it's true. He's a bitch.
Quote:And hey, do whatever the fuck you want, drive me into the ground while you fight the Black Circle. I think it's come to a point where so many people want their head, they'll be ripping off their 'allies' heads in the process.
I don't expect you to like me, Sid, much less respect me, but I respect the fuck out of you. If you get the job done; you get the job done. Who am I to stand in your way if you're just going to do what I want done in the first place.
It's not about taking sides. Nothing like that at all. Groups have nothing to do with it. Fight the power all you want, hell, fight each other for whoever gets there first. But to me, the less enemies, the better.
So quite frankly, I'm not going to bother with you. Do whatever the fuck you want, because at the end of the day, you're probably going to get the job done better than I ever could.
But you won't be able to do it alone.[/color]
:3 x Better: I've got nothing against you personally, just like I've got no reason to think up an insult better than Smokey The Bitch. I was simply stating an obvious fact earlier -- The dynasty that surpasses the Black Circle will have FOUR kings. I never said I was doing it alone, Smoke Man. I might be Three Times Better, but I'm only a Fourth of the cause.
Smoke chuckles.
And that might be enough. Or it might not.
But you won't know unless you try, will you?
Whether you can do it with your four kings, or if you need anybody else to help you, with me at least, any problem I have with anyone else does not matter, not until the Black Circle is buried six-feet underground, using John Madison's own shovel.
And if you're the one to do that, fine. I'll be cheering you on -
Like the 'bitch' I am.
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(11-30-2013, 06:55 PM)ljTheSavior Said: Nova, you are what is wrong with this company..Hell this planet. And the rest of the Black Circle. I will win that gauntlet next week on Madness and then I will take what's rightfully mine.. That Television Championship you barely escaped with.
Uh-huh.
Sure you will.
I totally believe that you - LJ Havok, will beat me. That's a good one. You know maybe if you say it enough, it'll actually sound realistic.
You know if you think I'm what's wrong with this planet, you're a complete and total idiot. What's wrong is you small fucking insects, thinking you can stand up against a fucking tidal wave. You can't. You'll be crushed. Destroyed beneath the weight. You think things will change, that things will be different, but it won't. You're just repeating the same redundant activity, over and over again. Just praying...wishing even, for a change. Hoping that this time something different might occur. But it won't. You'll lose every fucking time and you know why, it's because you're just not good enough to beat me. Why bother standing up to me, when you'll be cut down every time? Doesn't the pain of getting destroyed hurt? Is the sting of defeat, really worth the futile attempts? No, Havok...if you and I face each other again, you'll wind up with exactly what you got the first time around. Nothing.
That sounds all good and all, but you know that is a lie.
If it weren't for that time limit, I would have had you. I really think I had you anyway. Go back and look at the footage. I won right as the match ended.
I'm stronger than you could ever imagine. The power that I and a few others have you cannot even fathom.
You think that whatever bullshit solar system you came from has the only life forms blessed with power? Wrong. And we will show you and the rest of the Black Circle in due time.
(11-30-2013, 06:55 PM)ljTheSavior Said: Nova, you are what is wrong with this company..Hell this planet. And the rest of the Black Circle. I will win that gauntlet next week on Madness and then I will take what's rightfully mine.. That Television Championship you barely escaped with.
Uh-huh.
Sure you will.
I totally believe that you - LJ Havok, will beat me. That's a good one. You know maybe if you say it enough, it'll actually sound realistic.
You know if you think I'm what's wrong with this planet, you're a complete and total idiot. What's wrong is you small fucking insects, thinking you can stand up against a fucking tidal wave. You can't. You'll be crushed. Destroyed beneath the weight. You think things will change, that things will be different, but it won't. You're just repeating the same redundant activity, over and over again. Just praying...wishing even, for a change. Hoping that this time something different might occur. But it won't. You'll lose every fucking time and you know why, it's because you're just not good enough to beat me. Why bother standing up to me, when you'll be cut down every time? Doesn't the pain of getting destroyed hurt? Is the sting of defeat, really worth the futile attempts? No, Havok...if you and I face each other again, you'll wind up with exactly what you got the first time around. Nothing.
I'm wet now.
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Look guys, I'm not sayin' that Smoke Man's plan is 110%. I'm sayin' that The Black Circle has been running rough shot through XWF for years. They've shown that even when they fight each other they still stay strong. And they just keep getting stronger, larger, and more powerful daily. Last time I checked it only consisted of , Madison, Super Nova, Arzegotti, and NAZI. Now I hear Zak (Which I don't know why he is a member.) and Eli, the latter whom may regain his United States Championship back in less than a month.
This "idea" Smoke's got isn't sure fire. But I've been looked down upon by Shane and members of The Black Circle since I stepped foot into XWF.
So, while I don't respect Smoke Man, at least he has the balls to step up to The Black Circle. Hunter, shut the fuck up. Continue to eat cock with the rest of your Straight Edge fags. Gavin... who the fuck are you? LJ, your "Extreme Revolution" or whatever the fuck it was, was a fail, and your on the brink of gettin' dumped by Paul Heyman. And Sid, well shit you just returned and beat Luca.
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I refuse to be put in ur little game Smokey. plus me and Feder have another agenda
SUCK... MY... DICK!
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Feder is currently the European Champion.
Gilmour is currently the X-Treme Champion and was given a free King shot.
Sebastian Duke is one half of the Tag Team Champions.
Steve Davids eliminates himself.
Tony Santos is in the finals of Lethal Lotto and had his shot at the King Title.
Liz and Hunter are not oppressed.
Quote:There who have been sitting on the pedestal for far too long, names like Mr. Supernova, Luca Arzegotti...
Last time I checked, Luca and Nova are open to all challengers.
Quote:I'm looking for fairness.
Equality.
When were you treated unfair? Sounds to me like you're too lazy to get off your ass and do something.
now that i think about it. smokey does have a point.. we must stop guys like u, luca and the others who have held guys like me down! PREPARE FOR HELL!
SUCK... MY... DICK!
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(11-30-2013, 07:41 PM)Liz Hathaway Said: Look guys, I'm not sayin' that Smoke Man's plan is 110%. I'm sayin' that The Black Circle has been running rough shot through XWF for years. They've shown that even when they fight each other they still stay strong. And they just keep getting stronger, larger, and more powerful daily. Last time I checked it only consisted of , Madison, Super Nova, Arzegotti, and NAZI. Now I hear Zak (Which I don't know why he is a member.) and Eli, the latter whom may regain his United States Championship back in less than a month.
This "idea" Smoke's got isn't sure fire. But I've been looked down upon by Shane and members of The Black Circle since I stepped foot into XWF.
So, while I don't respect Smoke Man, at least he has the balls to step up to The Black Circle. Hunter, shut the fuck up. Continue to eat cock with the rest of your Straight Edge fags. Gavin... who the fuck are you? LJ, your "Extreme Revolution" or whatever the fuck it was, was a fail, and your on the brink of gettin' dumped by Paul Heyman. And Sid, well shit you just returned and beat Luca.
Bitch are you ?
I mean really I said I was with Smoke on this. That has been my agenda all along. While you were scrounging around in the mid-card, I was main-eventing..and trying to accomplish something great, but a dysfunctional team got in the way. Yes I'm talking about the former fatass himself and that bald Canadian that disappeared.
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